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Dlang forum: some feature requests
Apr 08, 2017
biocyberman
Apr 08, 2017
Vladimir Panteleev
Apr 09, 2017
biocyberman
Apr 09, 2017
Vladimir Panteleev
Apr 11, 2017
biocyberman
Apr 11, 2017
Mike Parker
Apr 09, 2017
Marco Leise
Apr 09, 2017
Vladimir Panteleev
Apr 10, 2017
crimaniak
Apr 10, 2017
Vladimir Panteleev
Apr 11, 2017
Marco Leise
Apr 11, 2017
Vladimir Panteleev
Apr 10, 2017
Vladimir Panteleev
Apr 10, 2017
XavierAP
April 08, 2017
@Admins: Please move to the right place for me if this is not the right one.

1. Code formatting seems to be support in all other parts of dlang.org, but not in the forum. It would be nice to be able to format code for readability.

2. Automatic exclude ones own text to avoid 'overquoting'. So when user replies some post, just quote the text of the user who one is replying.

3. Show previous posts below the reply editing area so user can scroll, re-read or copy some texts from there.

Thanks!
April 08, 2017
On Saturday, 8 April 2017 at 12:15:45 UTC, biocyberman wrote:
> @Admins: Please move to the right place for me if this is not the right one.
>
> 1. Code formatting seems to be support in all other parts of dlang.org, but not in the forum. It would be nice to be able to format code for readability.

This is planned in a future update, as part of Markdown support.

> 2. Automatic exclude ones own text to avoid 'overquoting'. So when user replies some post, just quote the text of the user who one is replying.

The forum software will already detect overquoting, and offer to trim down quoted text automatically.

Sometimes, more than one level of context is required, when the parent's post provides no context, such as replies like "What do you mean?" or "I don't think this is true".

> 3. Show previous posts below the reply editing area so user can scroll, re-read or copy some texts from there.

I will keep this suggestion in mind; however, copying text from multiple posts for the purpose of replying to several posts at once goes against the threaded nature of the underlying medium (newsgroup/email messages), and the forum will warn against this if it detects such an attempt.

> Thanks!

Thanks for the feedback.

April 09, 2017
On Saturday, 8 April 2017 at 12:34:56 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
> On Saturday, 8 April 2017 at 12:15:45 UTC, biocyberman wrote:

> This is planned in a future update, as part of Markdown support.
>

So it is coming. This is great.

>
> The forum software will already detect overquoting, and offer to trim down quoted text automatically.
>
> Sometimes, more than one level of context is required, when the parent's post provides no context, such as replies like "What do you mean?" or "I don't think this is true".
>

Yes, quoting only "I don't think this is true" does not make sense. However, as the way the forum is doing now: 100% of the third posts - like the one I am posting now - prompt manual delete (i.e. user A post, user B reply, user A reply user B post, and here he faces overquoting filter, and have to manually delete quote text.) I would not use the force overquoting option. So the gain for avoiding 'sometimes' silly post does not weigh over the third post cases, which happens much more frequently. And after all, users does have interest to make there posts meaningful, so he/she will copy and quote the relevant parts.

> however, copying text from multiple posts for the purpose of replying to several posts at once goes against the threaded nature of the underlying medium (newsgroup/email messages),
>

Here it depends how the forum developers envision the core functionality. In my opinion, making a forum to fit newsgroup/email threads conventions will limit its online interaction features (i.e. text format, multimedia, user interaction, etc). Mailing list is one thing, forum is another thing; so making the current forum act as both will be difficult. If the interface of a normal forum software is too convoluted, the Quest and Answer interface like that of StackOverflow may be a good alternative.

>and the forum will warn against
> this if it detects such an attempt.
Again, it is user best interests to make the post convey what they want to say. A mechanistic enforcement requires much work to make sense to human users. Maybe someday a advanced AI forum engine can do a good job =)

>
> Thanks for the feedback.
That's my pleasure. I hope dlang.org is a lively showcase of what D can offer.

April 09, 2017
Am Sat, 08 Apr 2017 12:34:56 +0000
schrieb Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists@gmail.com>:

> This is planned in a future update, as part of Markdown support.

That will be a web front-end rendering feature only, I guess. _Someone_ should write Markdown rendering plugins for popular news readers. What mime type will the Markdown enhanced messages use? text/plain or text/markdown as per https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markdown ?

-- 
Marco

April 09, 2017
On Sunday, 9 April 2017 at 12:45:58 UTC, biocyberman wrote:
> and here he faces overquoting filter, and have to manually delete quote text

Snipping irrelevant quoted parts when replying is part of the normal way to use e-mail and newsgroups, so I don't see a problem here.

When the forum software detects overquoting, it will offer to remove excessive quoting automatically (with an undo option).

> so he/she will copy and quote the relevant parts.

If part of the expected workflow of any system involves copying and pasting, it's a good indicator there is something wrong with the design.

> Mailing list is one thing, forum is another thing; so making the current forum act as both will be difficult.

This has already been done.

> If the interface of a normal forum software is too convoluted, the Quest and Answer interface like that of StackOverflow may be a good alternative.

The D tag on StackOverflow is monitored by many regulars of these forums as well, and D-tagged questions get announced to the IRC channel, so if you prefer that interface, there's no reason to not simply use StackOverflow.

>>and the forum will warn against
>> this if it detects such an attempt.
> Again, it is user best interests to make the post convey what they want to say. A mechanistic enforcement requires much work to make sense to human users.

This warning will only be displayed if the user attempts to fight against the forum software's UI and intentionally uses it in a way it was not designed to be used. Using it in the proper way (multiple replies to each post the user wants to reply to) is easier, and will make the thread easier to read for people reading the forums by email, a newsgroup client, or using the web interface in its alternative view modes (http://forum.dlang.org/help#view-modes).
April 09, 2017
On Sunday, 9 April 2017 at 12:55:57 UTC, Marco Leise wrote:
> Am Sat, 08 Apr 2017 12:34:56 +0000
> schrieb Vladimir Panteleev <thecybershadow.lists@gmail.com>:
>
>> This is planned in a future update, as part of Markdown support.
>
> That will be a web front-end rendering feature only, I guess. _Someone_ should write Markdown rendering plugins for popular news readers. What mime type will the Markdown enhanced messages use? text/plain or text/markdown as per https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markdown ?

text/plain because text/markdown will appear as an unreadable attachment for most clients (not least Gmail).
April 10, 2017
On Sunday, 9 April 2017 at 12:58:30 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
>> _Someone_ should write Markdown rendering plugins for popular news readers. What mime type will the Markdown enhanced messages use? text/plain or text/markdown as per https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markdown ?
>
> text/plain because text/markdown will appear as an unreadable attachment for most clients (not least Gmail).

 IMHO, it's better to do the same as with HTML letters: text/markdown body + text/plain body for clients not supporting markdown.
April 10, 2017
On Monday, 10 April 2017 at 09:35:30 UTC, crimaniak wrote:
>  IMHO, it's better to do the same as with HTML letters: text/markdown body + text/plain body for clients not supporting markdown.

Multipart messages have their issues.

Are there any clients which will render a text/markdown part as Markdown? I'm not aware of any.
April 10, 2017
On Monday, 10 April 2017 at 09:35:30 UTC, crimaniak wrote:
>  IMHO, it's better to do the same as with HTML letters: text/markdown body + text/plain body for clients not supporting markdown.

BTW, this would mean sending exactly the same text twice, just with a different Content-Type.
April 10, 2017
On Saturday, 8 April 2017 at 12:34:56 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
>
> Thanks for the feedback.

What I miss most is to split the General board, as everything gets buried too quick because it's too messy with different topic categories together:

- Development (of projects not internal to D)
- Suggestions
- Discussion about news, links to articles, Youtube etc.
- Etc.

I miss too the ability to edit posts for typos etc. But this is incompatible with email/NNTP, I can live without it.
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