On 2015-04-17 02:19:49 +0000, Walter Bright <newshound2@digitalmars.com> said:

> On 4/16/2015 10:47 AM, Michel Fortin wrote:
>> It would be sad to see all those efforts wasted.
> 
> Yes it would. The problem is I have a hard time reviewing complex things I don't understand, so I procrastinate. The fault is mine, not with your work.

I see. Well, you shouldn't blame yourself for being uncomfortable reviewing an invasion of alien concepts coming from another language. I guess it should have been expected. But now that we've nailed what stalls the review process, we can try to find a solution.

Here's an idea: instead of doing the review all by yourself, Jacob and you (or alternatively you and me) could do a "Skype review" with screen sharing where you scroll through the changes on Github and get every line and every new concept explained to you as you go. That should help make things understandable. And you can always do a second pass all by yourself to inspect the details later, if you wish.

Would that make you more confortable?

-- 
Michel Fortin
michel.fortin@michelf.ca
http://michelf.ca

On 2015-04-17 04:19, Walter Bright wrote:

> Yes it would. The problem is I have a hard time reviewing complex things
> I don't understand, so I procrastinate. The fault is mine, not with your
> work.

Please let me know if there's something I can do to make this easier for you. Anything I can explain how Objective-C or the code works.

I don't know if you have looked at the latest pull request [1] yet but I've written some documentation (in the commit message and in the pull request) of how calling Objective-C methods work. The code itself is not that big anymore. It's just for calling instance methods this in this pull request.

[1] https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dmd/pull/4321

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/Jacob Carlborg

On 2015-04-16 19:36, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> On 4/16/15 9:51 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>> Example, updating the website is something I would recommend delegating
>> to someone else.
>
> Good example. The question is who'd want to take that job. -- Andrei

That's the tricky part being a project manager, especially in an open source project like this when you cannot really tell anyone what to do. But last time you posted a [WORK] post on the newsgroup it seems like it worked quite good, there were quite a lot of updates on the site from other developers, if I recall correctly.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

On Thursday, 16 April 2015 at 17:33:09 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> On 4/16/15 8:47 AM, bachmeier wrote:
> Please let me know if https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md floats your boat. We should make it more visible, too. -- Andrei

Can the document be improved with additional info:
Were are the files to be changed?
How to generate new documentation files after making a change?

Thanks

On 4/17/15 5:01 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> On 2015-04-16 19:36, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> On 4/16/15 9:51 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>>> Example, updating the website is something I would recommend delegating
>>> to someone else.
>>
>> Good example. The question is who'd want to take that job. -- Andrei
>
> That's the tricky part being a project manager, especially in an open
> source project like this when you cannot really tell anyone what to do.
> But last time you posted a [WORK] post on the newsgroup it seems like it
> worked quite good, there were quite a lot of updates on the site from
> other developers, if I recall correctly.

Well, last time I posted a [WORK] item was this:

http://forum.dlang.org/thread/mfesp4$9bn$1@digitalmars.com

Walter did it after we talked about it on the phone...


Andrei

On 4/16/15 9:06 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
> I think from now on, we need to put in place some way to ping both of
> you and Andrei. Basically if you get messaged about a PR/issue you are
> required to respond.

We'd do a lot better at responding timely to issues we're the bottleneck of if we could find a way to offload some of the important and urgent stuff that needs doing and is easy yet nobody does.

There is something odd about the BDFL working on making http://dlang.org/phobos/ palatable or on capitalizing strings, isn't it?


Andrei

On Friday, 17 April 2015 at 12:01:36 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> On 2015-04-16 19:36, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> On 4/16/15 9:51 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>>> Example, updating the website is something I would recommend delegating
>>> to someone else.
>>
>> Good example. The question is who'd want to take that job. -- Andrei
>
> That's the tricky part being a project manager, especially in an open source project like this when you cannot really tell anyone what to do. But last time you posted a [WORK] post on the newsgroup it seems like it worked quite good, there were quite a lot of updates on the site from other developers, if I recall correctly.

Sorry if I'm jumping to conclusions here, but I often see it mentioned on these forums how PR's sit open and untouched for weeks. Perhaps something should be done about that? Maybe try to find more people to help - more D "lieutenants".
People are busy, attention spans are small, could keeping things flowing faster keep more contributors interested?

P.S. Way to hijack SDC's thread...

On 18/04/2015 3:07 a.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> On 4/16/15 9:06 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
>> I think from now on, we need to put in place some way to ping both of
>> you and Andrei. Basically if you get messaged about a PR/issue you are
>> required to respond.
>
> We'd do a lot better at responding timely to issues we're the bottleneck
> of if we could find a way to offload some of the important and urgent
> stuff that needs doing and is easy yet nobody does.
>
> There is something odd about the BDFL working on making
> http://dlang.org/phobos/ palatable or on capitalizing strings, isn't it?
>
>
> Andrei

I agree and I'd love to help. Unfortunately there is still a minimum environment requirements that's a little too high for me to do any development in those repos at the moment.

I'll eventually get it sorted out and give out the script which makes it happen ;) But I'm no there yet.

On 2015-04-17 17:00, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

> Well, last time I posted a [WORK] item was this:
>
> http://forum.dlang.org/thread/mfesp4$9bn$1@digitalmars.com
>
> Walter did it after we talked about it on the phone...

Well, I'm not sure if it was the _latest_, but at some point (fairly recently) there were a lot of pull request to improve the site which was initiated by the you on the forums, if I recall correctly.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

On 2015-04-17 17:09, "=?UTF-8?B?Ik3DoXJjaW8=?= Martins\" <marcioapm@gmail.com>\"" wrote:

> P.S. Way to hijack SDC's thread...

That's what we do here ;)

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg