Derek Parnell wrote:
> On Fri, 05 May 2006 04:36:30 +1000, Dave <Dave_member@pathlink.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Sure! I'll put it on Wikipedia too.
> 

No prob. - Want to 'wikify' that instead?

> Hope you don't mind but here is a more annotated version that shows off a couple of other goodies.
> 
> #!/usr/bin/dmd -run
> /* sh style script syntax is supported! */
>  /* Hello World in D
>    To compile:
>    dmd hello.d
>     or to optimize:
>    dmd -O -inline -release hello.d
> 
>    To get generated documentation:
>     dmd hello.d -D
> */
>  import std.stdio;  // References to commonly used I/O routines.
>  void main(char[][] args)   // 'void' here means return 0 by default.
> {
>     // Write-Formatted-Line
>     writefln("Hello World, "   // automatic concatenation of string literals
>              "Reloaded");
>      // auto type inference and built-in foreach
>     foreach(argc, argv; args)
>     {
>         // OOP!
>         CmdLin cl = new CmdLin(argc, argv);
> 
>         // improved 'printf' !!
>         // user-defined class properties.
>         writefln(cl.argnum, cl.suffix, " arg: %s", cl.argv);
>         // Garbage Collection or explicit memory management!!!
>         delete cl;
>     }
>      // Nested structs, classes and functions!
>     struct specs
>     {
>         // all vars. automatically initialized
>         int count, allocated;
>     }
> 
>     // 'char[][]' reads right to left - an array of an array of chars.
> 
>     specs argspecs(char[][] args)
>     // Optional (built-in) function contracts.
>     in{
>         assert (args.length > 0); // assert built in
>     }
>     out(result){
>         assert(result.count == CmdLin.total);
>         assert(result.allocated > 0);
>     }
>     body{
>         specs* s = new specs;
>         // no need for '->'
>         s.count = args.length;  // The 'length' property is number of elements.
>         s.allocated = typeof(args).sizeof; // built-in properties for native types
>         foreach(argv; args)
>             s.allocated += argv.length * typeof(argv[0]).sizeof;
>         return *s;
>     }
> 
>     // built-in string and common string operations, eg. '~' is concatenate.
>     char[] argcmsg  = "argc = %d";
>     char[] allocmsg = "allocated = %d";
>     writefln(argcmsg ~ ", " ~ allocmsg,
>          argspecs(args).count,argspecs(args).allocated);
> }
> /**
>    Stores a single command line argument.
> */
>  class CmdLin
> {
>     private {
>      int _argc;
>      char[] _argv;
>      static uint _totalc;
>     }
> 
>  public:
>     /************
>       Object constructor.
>       params:
>         argc = ordinal count of this argument.
>         argv = text of the parameter
>      */
>     this(int argc, char[] argv)
>     {
>         _argc = argc;
>         _argv = argv;
>         _totalc++;
>     }
> 
>     ~this() // Object destructor
>     {
>         // Doesn't actually do anything for this example.
>     }
> 
>      int argnum() /// A property that returns arg number
>     {
>         return _argc + 1;
>     }
>      char[] argv() /// A property that returns arg text
>     {
>         return _argv;
>     }
>      wchar[] suffix() /// A property that returns ordinal suffix
>     {
>         wchar[] suffix;  // Built in Unicode strings (utf8,utf16, utf32)
>         switch(_argc)
>         {
>         case 0:
>             suffix = "st";
>             break;
>         case 1:
>             suffix = "nd";
>             break;
>         case 2:
>             suffix = "rd";
>             break;
>         default:  // 'default' is mandatory with "-w" compile switch.
>             suffix = "th";
>         }
>         return suffix;
>     }
> 
>     /***************
>       * A property of the whole class, not just an instance.
>       * returns: The total number of commandline args added.
>       *************/
>      static typeof(_totalc) total()
>     {
>         return _totalc;
>     }
> }
> 
> --Derek Parnell
> Melbourne, Australia

Frank Benoit wrote:
> I posted this a bit earlier:
> 
> Another existing wiki is here
> 
> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:D
> 
> This one is called "book", but it is also a wiki, with a little bit
> structure.
> 
> There are no limitations, it is not hosted and dependent on a single
> person, mediawiki is widely accepted, ...
> 

The D Wikibook is not appropriate for the kind of info I mentioned.

-- 
Bruno Medeiros - CS/E student
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D

nick wrote:
> clayasaurus wrote:
>> nick wrote:
> 
>> Get rid of the D at the top and when you click on links make sure the
>> box outline doesn't show up. Other than that it's good.
> 
> Yeah, I can see that the big D is getting no love at all.
> 
> The boxes around the links is firefox's doing; not mine. They don't show
> up in IE (or Safari if I recall correctly). Firefox draws a box around
> every link you click. If there is a hack around that, let me know and
> I'll put it in.

Add the onfocus='this.blur()' for the links, like...

<a href = "link" onfocus="this.blur()">Link</a>

or see this thread http://www.codingforums.com/archive/index.php?t-1801.html for other methods.

clayasaurus wrote:
> nick wrote:
>> clayasaurus wrote:
>>> nick wrote:
>>
>>> Get rid of the D at the top and when you click on links make sure the
>>> box outline doesn't show up. Other than that it's good.
>>
>> Yeah, I can see that the big D is getting no love at all.
>>
>> The boxes around the links is firefox's doing; not mine. They don't show
>> up in IE (or Safari if I recall correctly). Firefox draws a box around
>> every link you click. If there is a hack around that, let me know and
>> I'll put it in.
> 
> Add the onfocus='this.blur()' for the links, like...
> 
> <a href = "link" onfocus="this.blur()">Link</a>
> 
> or see this thread http://www.codingforums.com/archive/index.php?t-1801.html for other methods.

If you want, see what you score for http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/adesigner . Just use bugmenot.com for a login.

Georg Wrede wrote:
> Bruno Medeiros wrote:
>>
>> Try this for a great show of the potential of CSS and separation of
>> content and presentation:
>> http://www.csszengarden.com/
> 
> Ouch!
> 
> I used to think I know something about CSS and the separation of content from presentation. This site simply embarrassed me.

Again, I'd like to point out that none of those designs scale properly(ctrl+wheel to see what I mean). This is largely because CSS is inflexible, but the fact remains.

Although they sure are pretty.

Deewiant wrote:
>> nick wrote:
>>> Yeah, I can see that the big D is getting no love at all.

> It'll probably involve more tables to get this done well enough, but I suggest moving it to the top of the sidebar currently at the left...
Probably no tables... I'll give it a shot.

> Also, I'd suggest an <img> tag with alt text instead of a background image as it currently is: with images off, or a browser that doesn't show them at all, there's nothing at the top of the page remotely resembling a header.
I can make an alt tag apply to something else, but I wanted to leave that image configurable via CSS (as is common practice these days).

> <nitpick>
> Your HTML doesn't validate: if you're going to specify a doctype why not conform
> to it? Might as well leave it out unless you're going to fix it.
Not useless, the doctype signals IE to fix its box model. However, your point is well taken. I coded it by hand, and never did validate it. Thanks for the reminder.

> I'm not entirely sure, but I don't think you need those &nbsp; entities in the banner and sash divs.
Browser compatibility, they are needed.

> If you can, move the header's HTML code to the bottom of the file: in a text-only browser, it's annoying to have to skip past the menu on every page. Then you can make a "skip to menu" link which is hidden with display: none (off the top of my head... I _think_ Lynx & co. display such anyway, but I'm not sure... it might be some other attribute, but it can be done).
I'll see what I can do with a reasonable trade-off between time spent tweaking html/css and productivity.

> Other than that, the layout's quite good. <g>

Thank you for the constructive criticism.

nick wrote:
> Georg Wrede wrote:
>> Bruno Medeiros wrote:
>>> Try this for a great show of the potential of CSS and separation of
>>> content and presentation:
>>> http://www.csszengarden.com/
>> Ouch!
>>
>> I used to think I know something about CSS and the separation of content
>> from presentation. This site simply embarrassed me.
> 
> Again, I'd like to point out that none of those designs scale
> properly(ctrl+wheel to see what I mean). This is largely because CSS is
> inflexible, but the fact remains.
> 
> Although they sure are pretty.

They seemed to scale fine for me. However some of the designs aren't as scalable as others, but I don't think that is because of CSS. How is CSS inflexible?

And since we're talking about CSS...
here's some sites I've found useful:
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/
http://www.alistapart.com/
http://www.wellstyled.com/
http://www.positioniseverything.net/

Lucas

Lucas Goss wrote:
> nick wrote:
>> Georg Wrede wrote:
>>> Bruno Medeiros wrote:
>>>> Try this for a great show of the potential of CSS and separation of
>>>> content and presentation:
>>>> http://www.csszengarden.com/
>>> Ouch!
>>>
>>> I used to think I know something about CSS and the separation of content from presentation. This site simply embarrassed me.
>>
>> Again, I'd like to point out that none of those designs scale properly(ctrl+wheel to see what I mean). This is largely because CSS is inflexible, but the fact remains.
>>
>> Although they sure are pretty.
> 
> They seemed to scale fine for me.
If you increase font size they lose shape, become unreadable, or both.

However some of the designs aren't as
> scalable as others, but I don't think that is because of CSS. How is CSS inflexible?

Don't get me wrong; I think CSS is a step in the right direction.
This isn't really the place for CSS discussion, but here is a summary of
what annoys me about it:

1. Positioning is often very hard, requires more hacking for compatibility than tables do. /* IE5 Mac Hack... so terrible \ */

2. You are only allowed one background per div; you should be allowed like 8 to get the desired effect.

> And since we're talking about CSS...
> here's some sites I've found useful:
> http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/
> http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/
> http://www.alistapart.com/
> http://www.wellstyled.com/
> http://www.positioniseverything.net/
Those are pretty useful, thanks.

On Thu, 04 May 2006 15:09:20 -0500, Dave wrote:

> Derek Parnell wrote:
>> On Fri, 05 May 2006 04:36:30 +1000, Dave <Dave_member@pathlink.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sure! I'll put it on Wikipedia too.
>> 
> 
> No prob. - Want to 'wikify' that instead?

Ok, I've uploaded the 'wikified' version to wikipedia and wikibooks.

-- 
Derek
(skype: derek.j.parnell)
Melbourne, Australia
"Down with mediocracy!"
5/05/2006 1:37:54 PM

clayasaurus wrote:
> clayasaurus wrote:
>> nick wrote:
>>> clayasaurus wrote:
>>>> nick wrote:
>>>
>>>> Get rid of the D at the top and when you click on links make sure the box outline doesn't show up. Other than that it's good.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I can see that the big D is getting no love at all.
>>>
>>> The boxes around the links is firefox's doing; not mine. They don't show up in IE (or Safari if I recall correctly). Firefox draws a box around every link you click. If there is a hack around that, let me know and I'll put it in.
>>
>> Add the onfocus='this.blur()' for the links, like...
>>
>> <a href = "link" onfocus="this.blur()">Link</a>
>>
>> or see this thread http://www.codingforums.com/archive/index.php?t-1801.html for other methods.
> 
> If you want, see what you score for http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/adesigner . Just use bugmenot.com for a login.

Thanks, that's really good to know. I don't know about removing the link outlines as some people might want to navigate with their tab key.