Hi, I'm sorry to spam here with self references, but I don't know if Walter and other D developers read Planet D, and I really appreciate if they could read this blog post:

D and open development model: http://llucax.com.ar/blog/blog/post/6cac01e1

This tries to be a constructive criticism and a recognition to the advances made in the last year(s?). I was about to write it directly to the D group but I thought it could hit a more wider audience as a blog post, and it could attract some people that had left D because of its closeness.

I hope you find it useful.

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Leandro Lucarella:

> I hope you find it useful.

Wonderful, baby steps lead you to many places :-)
Thank you for that post. Isn't GIT better for CVS?

Bye,
bearophile

Leandro Lucarella wrote:
> Hi, I'm sorry to spam here with self references, but I don't know if
> Walter and other D developers read Planet D, and I really appreciate if
> they could read this blog post:
> 
> D and open development model: http://llucax.com.ar/blog/blog/post/6cac01e1
> 
> This tries to be a constructive criticism and a recognition to the
> advances made in the last year(s?). I was about to write it directly to
> the D group but I thought it could hit a more wider audience as a blog
> post, and it could attract some people that had left D because of its
> closeness.
> 
> I hope you find it useful.

Nice! Mea culpa for the all-too-brief release notes. Now that I know people are looking, I'll beef them up.

One thing - "D2 should be release fairly soon because Andrei is writing a book that has a deadline and the language has to be finalized by the time the book is published." Well that's not quite it happened historically. The impinging release of D2 was conceived to occur concurrently with, not determined by, the book. If I could, I'd probably choose to not have a deadline either but that's not how book publishing works.

As far as commit notification goes, no later than yesterday I asked Brad Anderson about automated emails. He said he's a bit strapped for time, but will arrange soon such that Phobos commits are emailed to an address on my server. I'll create a mailing list open to anyone interested.

Thanks for a nice article.


Andrei

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail@erdani.org> wrote:
> Leandro Lucarella wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I'm sorry to spam here with self references, but I don't know if Walter and other D developers read Planet D, and I really appreciate if they could read this blog post:
>>
>> D and open development model: http://llucax.com.ar/blog/blog/post/6cac01e1
>>
>> This tries to be a constructive criticism and a recognition to the advances made in the last year(s?). I was about to write it directly to the D group but I thought it could hit a more wider audience as a blog post, and it could attract some people that had left D because of its closeness.
>>
>> I hope you find it useful.
>
> Nice! Mea culpa for the all-too-brief release notes. Now that I know people are looking, I'll beef them up.
>
> One thing - "D2 should be release fairly soon because Andrei is writing a book that has a deadline and the language has to be finalized by the time the book is published." Well that's not quite it happened historically. The impinging release of D2 was conceived to occur concurrently with, not determined by, the book. If I could, I'd probably choose to not have a deadline either but that's not how book publishing works.
>
> As far as commit notification goes, no later than yesterday I asked Brad Anderson about automated emails. He said he's a bit strapped for time, but will arrange soon such that Phobos commits are emailed to an address on my server. I'll create a mailing list open to anyone interested.
>
> Thanks for a nice article.

It wasn't mentioned, so I'm not sure if everyone is aware that the commits have been available by RSS feed from Dsource ever since Phobos and DMD appeared there.  (In fact there's a feed for all projects on dsource).

--bb

bearophile, el 15 de octubre a las 17:49 me escribiste:
> Leandro Lucarella:
> 
> > I hope you find it useful.
> 
> Wonderful, baby steps lead you to many places :-)
> Thank you for that post. Isn't GIT better for CVS?

Of course. Maybe you mistaken DVCS (Distributed Version Control System)
with CVS? I didn't mentioned CVS at all (it's ancient and I wouldn't
recommend it at all).

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Or received a telephone call

Andrei Alexandrescu, el 15 de octubre a las 17:01 me escribiste:
> Leandro Lucarella wrote:
> >Hi, I'm sorry to spam here with self references, but I don't know if Walter and other D developers read Planet D, and I really appreciate if they could read this blog post:
> >
> >D and open development model: http://llucax.com.ar/blog/blog/post/6cac01e1
> >
> >This tries to be a constructive criticism and a recognition to the advances made in the last year(s?). I was about to write it directly to the D group but I thought it could hit a more wider audience as a blog post, and it could attract some people that had left D because of its closeness.
> >
> >I hope you find it useful.
> 
> Nice! Mea culpa for the all-too-brief release notes. Now that I know people are looking, I'll beef them up.

Thanks =)

Mea culpa for waiting too long to ask for it ;)

> One thing - "D2 should be release fairly soon because Andrei is writing a book that has a deadline and the language has to be finalized by the time the book is published." Well that's not quite it happened historically. The impinging release of D2 was conceived to occur concurrently with, not determined by, the book. If I could, I'd probably choose to not have a deadline either but that's not how book publishing works.

I know, I was just trying to inform people not involved in D how things are now. I understand the book situation and I know is a tricky one, because having a book is another *huge* step to let D hit mainstream. So I agree is a compromise one have to make.

> As far as commit notification goes, no later than yesterday I asked Brad Anderson about automated emails. He said he's a bit strapped for time, but will arrange soon such that Phobos commits are emailed to an address on my server. I'll create a mailing list open to anyone interested.

That's very nice to hear! Thanks.

> Thanks for a nice article.

No problem, it's good to know that it was appreciated.

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Tiene un hermano militar? - No, no, no.
Tiene algún pariente militar? - No, no, no, no.
Tiene algún amigo íntimo militar? - No, no, pero por qué me lo pregunta?
Porque me está pisando el pie.
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Bill Baxter, el 15 de octubre a las 15:51 me escribiste:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail@erdani.org> wrote:
> > Leandro Lucarella wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi, I'm sorry to spam here with self references, but I don't know if Walter and other D developers read Planet D, and I really appreciate if they could read this blog post:
> >>
> >> D and open development model: http://llucax.com.ar/blog/blog/post/6cac01e1
> >>
> >> This tries to be a constructive criticism and a recognition to the advances made in the last year(s?). I was about to write it directly to the D group but I thought it could hit a more wider audience as a blog post, and it could attract some people that had left D because of its closeness.
> >>
> >> I hope you find it useful.
> >
> > Nice! Mea culpa for the all-too-brief release notes. Now that I know people are looking, I'll beef them up.
> >
> > One thing - "D2 should be release fairly soon because Andrei is writing a book that has a deadline and the language has to be finalized by the time the book is published." Well that's not quite it happened historically. The impinging release of D2 was conceived to occur concurrently with, not determined by, the book. If I could, I'd probably choose to not have a deadline either but that's not how book publishing works.
> >
> > As far as commit notification goes, no later than yesterday I asked Brad Anderson about automated emails. He said he's a bit strapped for time, but will arrange soon such that Phobos commits are emailed to an address on my server. I'll create a mailing list open to anyone interested.
> >
> > Thanks for a nice article.
> 
> It wasn't mentioned, so I'm not sure if everyone is aware that the commits have been available by RSS feed from Dsource ever since Phobos and DMD appeared there.  (In fact there's a feed for all projects on dsource).

You're right, I forgot to mention the RSS. I'm subscribed to it, that's how I peek at the commits now. But the (current) RSS is far from ideal because the patch is not part of the RSS article body, so I have to click on each and every commit to see the actual patch. And RSS is one way only, so you can't give feedback.

But the new mailing list will change that, fortunately :)

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Leandro Lucarella wrote:
> Hi, I'm sorry to spam here with self references, but I don't know if
> Walter and other D developers read Planet D, and I really appreciate if
> they could read this blog post:
> 
> D and open development model: http://llucax.com.ar/blog/blog/post/6cac01e1
> 
> This tries to be a constructive criticism and a recognition to the
> advances made in the last year(s?). I was about to write it directly to
> the D group but I thought it could hit a more wider audience as a blog
> post, and it could attract some people that had left D because of its
> closeness.
> 
> I hope you find it useful.
> 

Good writeup. +1 for the implicit git propaganda ;)

I also agree that the official-compiler/reference-implementation MUST BE FOSS