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March 27, 2003 Wiki - some questions | ||||
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It seems that Dan currently hasn't the time to push the wiki idea forward. I just wanted to supply a free and alternative hardware and software system and didn't intend to put a lot of work into it (act as a host). But to make a start, I would build an initial set of pages need to discuss some typical issues that are part of founding a wiki.
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Copyright:
May we assume that any Wiki about D should use the FDL as the basic copyright policy?
This would mean that the wiki can savely be used by anyone
to work on FAQs, examples or other parts of documentation
that may then at any time become parts of official sites
or other websites.
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Testing:
Are there people except Dan and me that know the wiki
and are willing to test and decide on some points
- compare performance and features
- decide about layout and configuration
- decide about which wiki platform to use
- decide about necessary developments
- ....
In other words it would be nice to form a small wiki workgroup.
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Use of this newsgroup content:
The main advantage of a wiki compared to a newsgroup is that information can be better organized and reworked.
But this is not for everybody. There are people that
like the direct questions and discussions of a forum.
Other people like to gather the information bits and
pieces to create an ordered picture. It's like the
difference between hunters and gatherers. A forum and
a wiki make good companions if the work can be divided
that way.
May we assume, that the content of this newsgroup may
be taken and reworked (with due respect and credit to
the contributors) into the wiki, without asking for
permission in every single case? (wiki under FDL)
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Helmut Leitner leitner@hls.via.at
Graz, Austria www.hls-software.com
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March 27, 2003 Wiki - additional information | ||||
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Posted in reply to Helmut Leitner | The first wiki (DWIKI, Dan Liebgold) is available at <http://dlanguage.netunify.com/1> To avoid confusion I renamed the new wiki to "Wiki4D" which is now available at <http://prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi> which seems more fitting. But the previous link <http://wikiservice.at/d/wiki.cgi> is still working. I changed the layout to a more classical style using standard HTML, so everybody can chose a favorite font and size by using his browser preferences. The frontpage now contains a quickly compiled list of the main resources I found. I would be grateful if someone could check this. The next steps would be - to build a roadmap for examples - to build a roadmap for FAQs - to add as many wiki howto pages as necessary There are a number of feature hidden from occasional visitors (and robots), that become visible when you store a username at the "Preferences". This adds links to an RCS revision archive, a printer friendly version of the page, page deletion and a few other functions. If someone wants to try file upload, there is 20 MB upload quota available for a user=duser (password=duser). -- Helmut Leitner leitner@hls.via.at Graz, Austria www.hls-software.com |
March 27, 2003 Re: Wiki - some questions | ||||
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Posted in reply to Helmut Leitner | My one piece of input is this: use the Wiki from c2.com. It's the most common wiki platform and, among people who are familiar with wikis, most people are familiar with how to use the c2.com wiki. Also, I can't imagine that anyone would mind if you pull text from the newsgroup to populate the wiki with info. I for one would welcome that effort, since it would make the newsgroup info a little easier to find. --Benji In article <3E82C7A1.89910745@hls.via.at>, Helmut Leitner says... > >It seems that Dan currently hasn't the time to push the wiki idea forward. I just wanted to supply a free and alternative hardware and software system and didn't intend to put a lot of work into it (act as a host). But to make a start, I would build an initial set of pages need to discuss some typical issues that are part of founding a wiki. > >==== > >Copyright: > >May we assume that any Wiki about D should use the FDL as the basic copyright policy? > >This would mean that the wiki can savely be used by anyone >to work on FAQs, examples or other parts of documentation >that may then at any time become parts of official sites >or other websites. > >==== > >Testing: > >Are there people except Dan and me that know the wiki >and are willing to test and decide on some points > - compare performance and features > - decide about layout and configuration > - decide about which wiki platform to use > - decide about necessary developments > - .... > >In other words it would be nice to form a small wiki workgroup. > >==== > >Use of this newsgroup content: > >The main advantage of a wiki compared to a newsgroup is that information can be better organized and reworked. > >But this is not for everybody. There are people that >like the direct questions and discussions of a forum. >Other people like to gather the information bits and >pieces to create an ordered picture. It's like the >difference between hunters and gatherers. A forum and >a wiki make good companions if the work can be divided >that way. > >May we assume, that the content of this newsgroup may >be taken and reworked (with due respect and credit to >the contributors) into the wiki, without asking for >permission in every single case? (wiki under FDL) > >-- >Helmut Leitner leitner@hls.via.at >Graz, Austria www.hls-software.com |
March 27, 2003 Re: Wiki - some questions | ||||
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Posted in reply to Benji Smith |
Benji Smith wrote:
> My one piece of input is this: use the Wiki from c2.com. It's the most common wiki platform and, among people who are familiar with wikis, most people are familiar with how to use the c2.com wiki.
Ward published only a simple implementation together with his book, that's far from being state of the art.
Ward's real wiki software from c2.com is not available. BTW its only strength is its ability to cope with heavy load.
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Helmut Leitner leitner@hls.via.at Graz, Austria www.hls-software.com
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March 28, 2003 Re: Wiki - some questions | ||||
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Posted in reply to Helmut Leitner | "Note: All posters to the Digital Mars newsgroups or mailing list agree to release all claims to intellectual property rights in any posted or emailed feedback to Digital Mars." I think that means that Walter has the copyright to everything in the newsgroup. Of course I'm no lawyer and phrases like "intellectual property rights" make my eyes glaze over, so I may be wrong. "Helmut Leitner" <leitner@hls.via.at> wrote in message news:3E82C7A1.89910745@hls.via.at... > It seems that Dan currently hasn't the time to push the wiki idea forward. I just wanted to supply a free and alternative hardware and software system and didn't intend to put a lot of work into it (act as a host). But to make a start, I would build an initial set of pages need to discuss some typical issues that are part of founding a wiki. > > ==== > > Copyright: > > May we assume that any Wiki about D should use the > FDL as the basic copyright policy? > > This would mean that the wiki can savely be used by anyone > to work on FAQs, examples or other parts of documentation > that may then at any time become parts of official sites > or other websites. > > ==== > > Testing: > > Are there people except Dan and me that know the wiki > and are willing to test and decide on some points > - compare performance and features > - decide about layout and configuration > - decide about which wiki platform to use > - decide about necessary developments > - .... > > In other words it would be nice to form a small > wiki workgroup. > > ==== > > Use of this newsgroup content: > > The main advantage of a wiki compared to a newsgroup is that information can be better organized and reworked. > > But this is not for everybody. There are people that > like the direct questions and discussions of a forum. > Other people like to gather the information bits and > pieces to create an ordered picture. It's like the > difference between hunters and gatherers. A forum and > a wiki make good companions if the work can be divided > that way. > > May we assume, that the content of this newsgroup may > be taken and reworked (with due respect and credit to > the contributors) into the wiki, without asking for > permission in every single case? (wiki under FDL) > > -- > Helmut Leitner leitner@hls.via.at > Graz, Austria www.hls-software.com |
April 01, 2003 Re: Wiki - some questions | ||||
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Posted in reply to Jon Allen | "Jon Allen" <jallen@minotstateu.edu> wrote in message news:b604v0$2mf7$1@digitaldaemon.com... > "Note: All posters to the Digital Mars newsgroups or mailing list agree to release all claims to intellectual property rights in any posted or emailed > feedback to Digital Mars." > > I think that means that Walter has the copyright to everything in the newsgroup. Of course I'm no lawyer and phrases like "intellectual property > rights" make my eyes glaze over, so I may be wrong. I'll revise that. |
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