Will there be an official D book?  An example would be the
"Oreilly D in a Nutshell" or the "Oreilly D Cookbook" or "Programming
D" each by Walter of course.  Other publishers would also be possible.
You could include the open source version of D.

Vaygr Bomber wrote:
> Will there be an official D book?  An example would be the "Oreilly D in a Nutshell" or the "Oreilly D Cookbook" or "Programming D" each by Walter of course.  Other publishers would also be possible.
> You could include the open source version of D.
> 
> 
May I ask if you have an idea on how much work has to be put into a book?

Regards
Friedrich

Vaygr Bomber wrote:
> 
> Will there be an official D book?  An example would be the
> "Oreilly D in a Nutshell" or the "Oreilly D Cookbook" or "Programming
> D" each by Walter of course.  Other publishers would also be possible.
> You could include the open source version of D.

I'm sure there will be an official D book, because that's unavoidable.

The best chance might be that we can talk Matthew into authoring such a book, perhaps in a team with Walter and a few others to help.

But it wouldn't be senseful and fair to buyers to write such a book before the standard library has materilized and stabilized. So this may be a year or two in the future.

-- 
Helmut Leitner    leitner@hls.via.at
Graz, Austria   www.hls-software.com

You seem to be most insighful on several points ... ;)

"Helmut Leitner" <leitner@hls.via.at> wrote in message news:3F842943.7B64EB12@hls.via.at...
>
>
> Vaygr Bomber wrote:
> >
> > Will there be an official D book?  An example would be the
> > "Oreilly D in a Nutshell" or the "Oreilly D Cookbook" or "Programming
> > D" each by Walter of course.  Other publishers would also be possible.
> > You could include the open source version of D.
>
> I'm sure there will be an official D book, because that's unavoidable.
>
> The best chance might be that we can talk Matthew into authoring such a book, perhaps in a team with Walter and a few others to help.
>
> But it wouldn't be senseful and fair to buyers to write such a book before the standard library has materilized and stabilized. So this may be a year or two in the future.
>
> -- 
> Helmut Leitner    leitner@hls.via.at
> Graz, Austria   www.hls-software.com

Vaygr Bomber wrote:
> Will there be an official D book?  An example would be the "Oreilly D in a Nutshell" or the "Oreilly D Cookbook" or "Programming D" each by Walter of course.

I strongly suspect Walter prefers writing compilers instead of books. Maybe if you were to write a book he could possibly assist you by writing a book compiler. ;)

There have been some efforts in the community to start writing a book. It's just too early for that now.

Most importantly, Bruce Eckel keeps his eyes open on D and shall be among the first to write a book. Knowing the quality of the other books he wrote, you could call it official right away. :) It would be nice to see a few chapters written by various authors (Walter, Mathew) though, and the book should be available online.

-eye

"Ilya Minkov" <minkov@cs.tum.edu> wrote in message news:bmkg3k$15b3$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> Vaygr Bomber wrote:
> > Will there be an official D book?  An example would be the
> > "Oreilly D in a Nutshell" or the "Oreilly D Cookbook" or "Programming
> > D" each by Walter of course.
>
> I strongly suspect Walter prefers writing compilers instead of books. Maybe if you were to write a book he could possibly assist you by writing a book compiler. ;)
>
> There have been some efforts in the community to start writing a book. It's just too early for that now.
>
> Most importantly, Bruce Eckel keeps his eyes open on D and shall be among the first to write a book. Knowing the quality of the other books he wrote, you could call it official right away. :) It would be nice to see a few chapters written by various authors (Walter, Mathew) though, and the book should be available online.

One of the problems I'd have writing a book (besides being a lousy writer) is I'd prefer to just post it all online. Book publishers aren't too interested in that <g>.

> One of the problems I'd have writing a book (besides being a lousy writer) is I'd prefer to just post it all online. Book publishers aren't too interested in that <g>.

It pays badly enough as it is, how d'you expect anyone to do it (unless they were independently wealthy). Apparently Bjarne Stroustrup, who's TC++PL is one of the biggest sellers ever, has said that book only allowed him to pay for one child's education. A tropical island it ain't!

Matthew Wilson wrote:
> 
> > One of the problems I'd have writing a book (besides being a lousy writer) is I'd prefer to just post it all online. Book publishers aren't too interested in that <g>.
> 
> It pays badly enough as it is, how d'you expect anyone to do it (unless they were independently wealthy). Apparently Bjarne Stroustrup, who's TC++PL is one of the biggest sellers ever, has said that book only allowed him to pay for one child's education. A tropical island it ain't!

That's why I think work should be distributed.
   - the basic introduction and reference (exists anyway, Walter)
   - a tutorial (will exist sooner or later in sufficient quality)
   - a complete library reference (must be created anyway with the library)
   - a few real world sample applications
will bring the authors a long way towards the finished book.

A book will gain little for it's authors but reputation.
But reputation is a "symbolic capital" that can be converted to profit.

The printed book is more important than the online version, because it would put D as a language in different league.

Online you can describe anything. But you print only things that are stable enough to hold for a few years. Otherwise you've done all the work for nothing.

A book is an important signal.

-- 
Helmut Leitner    leitner@hls.via.at
Graz, Austria   www.hls-software.com

"Walter" <walter@digitalmars.com> wrote in message news:bmnq8r$2fu8$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> One of the problems I'd have writing a book (besides being a lousy writer) is I'd prefer to just post it all online. Book publishers aren't too interested in that <g>.

You might be surprised. I know of (non-fiction) writers who web their stuff, and don't have any trouble getting it published. There does seem to be a general taboo against webbing fiction, however.

Sam

"Samuel Barber" <opendtv@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bmop9b$n05$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> "Walter" <walter@digitalmars.com> wrote in message news:bmnq8r$2fu8$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> > One of the problems I'd have writing a book (besides being a lousy
writer)
> > is I'd prefer to just post it all online. Book publishers aren't too interested in that <g>.
>
> You might be surprised. I know of (non-fiction) writers who web their
stuff,
> and don't have any trouble getting it published. There does seem to be a general taboo against webbing fiction, however.

Perhaps it might work. I have a tendency to buy hardcopies of books even if I have them online. I also agree with Helmut that a printed D book would be a big milestone for the language.