janderson wrote:
> Knew one guy who spent a week reformatting (no design patterns just tabs and naming conversions) everyone else code, and how did that help the project?  As a further frustration some other coder who decided that his formating style was superior so re-did the entire code style again a month later.

The only way to end the formatting wars is to make a language that only has one way it can be formatted and make that way so horrendously ugly (no whitespace what so ever) that no one will ever look at code without reformatting it first. That way everyone will be forced to use automatic reformatting tools and everyone can get it formated the way they like. If you can't please everyone, drive them all nuts!

*Thank you* Walter for not being me!!!!!

p.s. I'm Joking

> Hmmm... Oh, wait, wait, wait.... I think I get it now! How very clever! Stewart, You are a genius!  You just succeeded in the grand unification of the D community before D 1.0. LOL!
>
> -JJR

Nobody finds this amusing!

On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:13:29 -0800, BCS wrote:

Or use an editor which auto format the code.

> janderson wrote:
>> Knew one guy who spent a week reformatting (no design patterns just tabs and naming conversions) everyone else code, and how did that help the project?  As a further frustration some other coder who decided that his formating style was superior so re-did the entire code style again a month later.
> 
> The only way to end the formatting wars is to make a language that only has one way it can be formatted and make that way so horrendously ugly (no whitespace what so ever) that no one will ever look at code without reformatting it first. That way everyone will be forced to use automatic reformatting tools and everyone can get it formated the way they like. If you can't please everyone, drive them all nuts!
> 
> *Thank you* Walter for not being me!!!!!
> 
> p.s. I'm Joking

nobody_ wrote:
 > Nobody finds this amusing!

I needed a few seconds before realizing what you /actually/ meant, haha. :D

Knud Sørensen wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:13:29 -0800, BCS wrote:
> 
> Or use an editor which auto format the code.
<snip top of upside-down reply>

Wouldn't that be an example of an automatic reformatting tool?

Stewart.

BCS wrote:
> janderson wrote:
>> Knew one guy who spent a week reformatting (no design patterns just tabs and naming conversions) everyone else code, and how did that help the project?  As a further frustration some other coder who decided that his formating style was superior so re-did the entire code style again a month later.
> 
> The only way to end the formatting wars is to make a language that only has one way it can be formatted and make that way so horrendously ugly (no whitespace what so ever) 
>that no one will ever look at code without
> reformatting it first.

Not necessarily - the 'whitespace' programming language is another option. Cleanest-looking source code I've ever seen. <g>

please do not answer these posts or any other post in this direction anymore. do
not let the original author succeed, - having walter and all those good people
with constructive good ideas fail to create a super new language.
things are going so well, - fixing and incorporating new features.

thanx walter - keep on going!

Kyle Furlong wrote:
> Stewart Gordon wrote:
> 
>> It's time to make a list of Walter's habits that continually annoy us. Here are some of my peeves, to start it off:
> 
> I think the idea behind this post is that since we have a one man development organization, we could improve D as a whole by improving the man. This is simply ridiculous. Think about what you are saying Stewart. You're basically asking a stranger to change himself (presumably to conform to your idea of better) because it would (again presumably) have a good effect on the product he creates.

First Derek, now Stewart. The next person who starts brewing peeves about Walter should remember this: we are here now, not only because of what Walter is in good, but also precisely because of what Walter is in bad.

The best thing to do is to think about the above till you understand it.

Such understanding will make peeves mysteriously shrink, and make you feel better and healthier. Not to mention, it'll make you stop beating your wife and the kid next door.

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:37:00 +0200, Georg Wrede wrote:

> Kyle Furlong wrote:
>> Stewart Gordon wrote:
>> 
>>> It's time to make a list of Walter's habits that continually annoy us. Here are some of my peeves, to start it off:
>> 
>> I think the idea behind this post is that since we have a one man development organization, we could improve D as a whole by improving the man. This is simply ridiculous. Think about what you are saying Stewart. You're basically asking a stranger to change himself (presumably to conform to your idea of better) because it would (again presumably) have a good effect on the product he creates.
> 
> First Derek, now Stewart.

I was not the first. I'm pretty sure there has been a number of people before me who has decided to leave DigitalMars in peace for now. I suspect this list would include Matthew Wilson and Arcane Jill at least.

> The next person who starts brewing peeves about Walter should remember this: we are here now, not only because of what Walter is in good, but also precisely because of what Walter is in bad.
> 
> The best thing to do is to think about the above till you understand it.

That statement seems to imply that things (D related) can't get better so we should just accept the status quo.

There is no argument that DigitalMars is run by a brilliant person and the quality and quantity of its output is vastly superior to most everyone else's. However, I think it can still be improved. I admit that history has shown that I'm unable to assist in improving DigitalMars D, but that need not stop other people from attempting it.

I also believe that DigitalMars could do with a few Public Relations lessons as it sometimes appears to be aggravating (if not belligerent), instead of appearing to be the truly benevolent dictator that we all need.

I still live in hope that the interaction between the D community and DigitalMars will improve the D language, both by removing the current mistakes in its definition and implementation, and by adding truly useful features. I would have liked to think that I could be a part of this activity, but I don't think I'm up to the task anymore.

> Such understanding will make peeves mysteriously shrink, and make you feel better and healthier. Not to mention, it'll make you stop beating your wife and the kid next door.

I assume that was an attempt at a joke, and you didn't actually *try* to libel me by writing that offensive falsehood.

-- 
Derek
(skype: derek.j.parnell)
Melbourne, Australia
"Down with mediocrity!"
18/12/2006 12:04:10 PM

Derek Parnell wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:37:00 +0200, Georg Wrede wrote:
>>The next person who starts brewing peeves about Walter should remember this: we are here now, not only because of what Walter is in good, but also precisely because of what Walter is in bad.
>>
>>The best thing to do is to think about the above till you understand it.
> 
> That statement seems to imply that things (D related) can't get better so
> we should just accept the status quo.

The pace at which D has been moving is unbelievable. If Walter additionally did everything folks here ask, the pace would become a crawl.

>>Such understanding will make peeves mysteriously shrink, and make you feel better and healthier. Not to mention, it'll make you stop beating your wife and the kid next door.
> 
> I assume that was an attempt at a joke, and you didn't actually *try* to
> libel me by writing that offensive falsehood.

First, it was addressed to the _next_ potential peever. Second, working on it till one understands will improve one's own being. Third, the last sentence was (admittedly a strongly formulated) reminder to check if one's problems are not just related to D, since aggression on one venue often has its roots elsewhere.