On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Walter Bright wrote:

> Brad Roberts wrote:
> > 
> > I understand _why_ it was changed and _why_ the tests are failing.  That's
> > not the point.  The point is that the tests are failing and need to be fixed
> > as a part of fixing the bug.  Leaving the tests broken means you've left
> > half the job incomplete.
> > 
> 
> I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you.
> 
> > Grumpy still,
> > 
> 
> Look Brad, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.

Grumpy isn't a terribly bad state on my scale of "blissful happiness" to "going on a murderous rampage" scale.  That I'm talking is a good sign.  I tend to shut up and fester when I'm really angry. :)

I've been edging more and more towards angry just due to the length of time since the builds have been green and the frequency of additional problems being added.  We're now on the 5th day in a row of something being broken.

On Tuesday, January 11, 2011 16:19:03 Brad Roberts wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Walter Bright wrote:
> > Brad Roberts wrote:
> > > I understand _why_ it was changed and _why_ the tests are failing. That's not the point.  The point is that the tests are failing and need to be fixed as a part of fixing the bug.  Leaving the tests broken means you've left half the job incomplete.
> > 
> > I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you.
> > 
> > > Grumpy still,
> > 
> > Look Brad, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.
> 
> Grumpy isn't a terribly bad state on my scale of "blissful happiness" to "going on a murderous rampage" scale.  That I'm talking is a good sign.  I tend to shut up and fester when I'm really angry. :)
> 
> I've been edging more and more towards angry just due to the length of time since the builds have been green and the frequency of additional problems being added.  We're now on the 5th day in a row of something being broken.

The core.time stuff is passing now at least, isn't it?

By the way, if I wanted to see the current state of the build, where would I look?

- Jonathan M Davis

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Jonathan M Davis wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 11, 2011 16:19:03 Brad Roberts wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Walter Bright wrote:
> > > Brad Roberts wrote:
> > > > I understand _why_ it was changed and _why_ the tests are failing. That's not the point.  The point is that the tests are failing and need to be fixed as a part of fixing the bug.  Leaving the tests broken means you've left half the job incomplete.
> > > 
> > > I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you.
> > > 
> > > > Grumpy still,
> > > 
> > > Look Brad, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.
> > 
> > Grumpy isn't a terribly bad state on my scale of "blissful happiness" to "going on a murderous rampage" scale.  That I'm talking is a good sign.  I tend to shut up and fester when I'm really angry. :)
> > 
> > I've been edging more and more towards angry just due to the length of time since the builds have been green and the frequency of additional problems being added.  We're now on the 5th day in a row of something being broken.
> 
> The core.time stuff is passing now at least, isn't it?
> 
> By the way, if I wanted to see the current state of the build, where would I look?
> 
> - Jonathan M Davis

With the exception of the commented out unit tests, the core.time stuff has settled down.

The url: http://d.puremagic.com/test-results/

Brad Roberts wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Walter Bright wrote:
>
> 
>> Brad Roberts wrote:
>> 
>>> I understand _why_ it was changed and _why_ the tests are failing.  That's
>>> not the point.  The point is that the tests are failing and need to be fixed
>>> as a part of fixing the bug.  Leaving the tests broken means you've left
>>> half the job incomplete.
>>> 
>>> 
>> I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you.
>>
>> 
>>> Grumpy still,
>>> 
>>> 
>> Look Brad, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you
>> ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.
>> 
>
> Grumpy isn't a terribly bad state on my scale of "blissful happiness" to "going on a murderous rampage" scale.

Just what do you think you're doing, Brad?


>   That I'm talking is a good sign.  I
> tend to shut up and fester when I'm really angry. :)
> 

I know that you and Andrei were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.

> I've been edging more and more towards angry just due to the length of time since the builds have been green and the frequency of additional problems being added.

This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.

>   We're now on the 5th day in a row of something
> being broken.
>
> 

It can only be attributable to human error.

OK, I finally get it: Walter talks like Hal.

Andrei

On 1/11/11 5:45 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
>
>
> Brad Roberts wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Walter Bright wrote:
>>
>>> Brad Roberts wrote:
>>>> I understand _why_ it was changed and _why_ the tests are failing.
>>>> That's
>>>> not the point. The point is that the tests are failing and need to
>>>> be fixed
>>>> as a part of fixing the bug. Leaving the tests broken means you've left
>>>> half the job incomplete.
>>> I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give
>>> you my
>>> complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still
>>> got the
>>> greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help
>>> you.
>>>
>>>> Grumpy still,
>>> Look Brad, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think
>>> you
>>> ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.
>>
>> Grumpy isn't a terribly bad state on my scale of "blissful happiness" to "going on a murderous rampage" scale.
>
> Just what do you think you're doing, Brad?
>
>
>> That I'm talking is a good sign. I tend to shut up and fester when I'm really angry. :)
>
> I know that you and Andrei were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
>
>> I've been edging more and more towards angry just due to the length of time since the builds have been green and the frequency of additional problems being added.
>
> This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
>
>> We're now on the 5th day in a row of something being broken.
>>
>
> It can only be attributable to human error.
>
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On Tuesday, January 11, 2011 17:09:50 Brad Roberts wrote:
> With the exception of the commented out unit tests, the core.time stuff has settled down.

Well, fixing that will require messing around on a Windows box to find some set of tests which will test the functionality but be robust enough to deal with a varying number of ticks per second across systems.

> The url: http://d.puremagic.com/test-results/


Thanks!

- Jonathan M Davis

Dear god, we've sent Walter back in time about 10 years.  The poor guy.

(and it really sucks that it took me two emails to recognize it.  I blame work distracting me.  And since it's work, I'll blame perl.  First time in several years I've had to work on a block of perl code and it's broken me, again.)

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Walter Bright wrote:

> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:45:36 -0800
> From: Walter Bright <walter at digitalmars.com>
> Reply-To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com>
> To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com>
> Subject: Re: [phobos] phobos commit, revision 2309
> 
> 
> 
> Brad Roberts wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Walter Bright wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > Brad Roberts wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I understand _why_ it was changed and _why_ the tests are failing.
> > > > That's
> > > > not the point.  The point is that the tests are failing and need to be
> > > > fixed
> > > > as a part of fixing the bug.  Leaving the tests broken means you've left
> > > > half the job incomplete.
> > > > 
> > > I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Grumpy still,
> > > > 
> > > Look Brad, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you
> > > ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.
> > > 
> > 
> > Grumpy isn't a terribly bad state on my scale of "blissful happiness" to "going on a murderous rampage" scale.
> 
> Just what do you think you're doing, Brad?
> 
> 
> >   That I'm talking is a good sign.  I tend to shut up and fester when I'm
> > really angry. :)
> > 
> 
> I know that you and Andrei were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
> 
> > I've been edging more and more towards angry just due to the length of time since the builds have been green and the frequency of additional problems being added.
> 
> This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
> 
> >   We're now on the 5th day in a row of something being broken.
> > 
> > 
> 
> It can only be attributable to human error.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> phobos mailing list
> phobos at puremagic.com
> http://lists.puremagic.com/mailman/listinfo/phobos
> 

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Jonathan M Davis wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 11, 2011 17:09:50 Brad Roberts wrote:
> > With the exception of the commented out unit tests, the core.time stuff has settled down.
> 
> Well, fixing that will require messing around on a Windows box to find some set of tests which will test the functionality but be robust enough to deal with a varying number of ticks per second across systems.

Feel free to the tester by proxy.. check in changes to print out values rather than assert to validate expectations, etc.

On the other hand, if you want to get your feet wet with ec2, spinning up a windows box for a couple hours would cost less than a dollar for a low end box. :)

Later,
Brad

(god that sounded like a sales pitch, keep me away from marketing!)

Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> OK, I finally get it: Walter talks like Hal.
>

Nope. The D-9000 computer!

Brad Roberts wrote:
>
> (and it really sucks that it took me two emails to recognize it.

Thank Mr. Langley you did before I had to start singing Daisy!