Hey all, lots of changes to DIDE its getting close to useable now.  Its at a new site at

www.atari-soldiers.com

Im planning on adding code browser soon (thanks to keith's great idea of CTAGS! ), and then a dialog editor.

I'm waiting on approval from sourceforge for DublN (CPAN like tool ), but they are taking a suspiciously long time to respond.  I would host it but my hosting company doesnt offer mysql, does anyone have any room somewhere so we can get started on this ?

I noticed a link called D journal on the DM page, I have room to host it if someone wants to write it ?

Charles

"Charles Sanders" <sanders-consulting@comcast.net> wrote...
>
> Hey all, lots of changes to DIDE its getting close to useable now.  Its at
a
> new site at
>

Great stuff Charles! One question though: Is there no way to compile a single file without making it a part of some project?

Andrew

No you can compile a single file with Compile This File, under the Project
Menu (F6).

Charles
"Andrew Edwards" <edwardsac@spamfreeusa.com> wrote in message
news:bg9fvd$2b72$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>
> "Charles Sanders" <sanders-consulting@comcast.net> wrote...
> >
> > Hey all, lots of changes to DIDE its getting close to useable now.  Its
at
> a
> > new site at
> >
>
> Great stuff Charles! One question though: Is there no way to compile a single file without making it a part of some project?
>
> Andrew
>
>

> I'm waiting on approval from sourceforge for DublN (CPAN like tool ), but they are taking a suspiciously long time to respond.  I would host it but
my
> hosting company doesnt offer mysql, does anyone have any room somewhere so we can get started on this ?

Would love to help, but simply don't have the time. However, I know a very helpful young software cadet, Greg Peet, who's a bit of a whizz with such things. Greg, are you interested in helping? I know you're not (yet) a D aficionado, but I would think this would be a snap for you to do. hint hint ... ;)


> I noticed a link called D journal on the DM page, I have room to host it
if
> someone wants to write it ?

Thanks for that. We've got all the space we need, as Jan is hosting it on the DM server. The journal is something that we will progress in the non-too-distant future, but it is backed up behind a number of other tasks. Walter's busy writing the D compiler, I'm busy on my C++ book, all the D coding-gurus are busy writing D libs.

Be assured that it is something Walter and I keep mentioning to each other from time to time, and it has not been forgotten or jettisoned. It's a great idea waiting for the right time (which is soon - probably before the end of this year).

Matthew

Great! I've put the links up for it. -Walter

"Matthew Wilson" <matthew@stlsoft.org> wrote in message news:bg9hvu$2d45$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> Would love to help, but simply don't have the time. However, I know a very helpful young software cadet, Greg Peet, who's a bit of a whizz with such things. Greg, are you interested in helping? I know you're not (yet) a D aficionado, but I would think this would be a snap for you to do. hint
hint
What would be needed? Just MySQL? Charles do you have ICQ? Mine is: 86560133

> Be assured that it is something Walter and I keep mentioning to each other from time to time, and it has not been forgotten or jettisoned.

Cool that would be something fun :).

> Walter's busy writing the D compiler, I'm busy on my C++ book, all the D coding-gurus are busy writing D libs.

Looking forward to the book!

> all the D coding-gurus are busy writing D libs.

Yea I'm looking forward to sqllite, Im not as fluent with D as I would like to be, but I'm going to try to make bindings to libcurl (http://curl.haxx.se) help me get a feel for it, has anyone succesfully compiled libcurl with DMC ?

Charles

"Matthew Wilson" <matthew@stlsoft.org> wrote in message news:bg9hvu$2d45$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>
> > I'm waiting on approval from sourceforge for DublN (CPAN like tool ),
but
> > they are taking a suspiciously long time to respond.  I would host it
but
> my
> > hosting company doesnt offer mysql, does anyone have any room somewhere
so
> > we can get started on this ?
>
> Would love to help, but simply don't have the time. However, I know a very helpful young software cadet, Greg Peet, who's a bit of a whizz with such things. Greg, are you interested in helping? I know you're not (yet) a D aficionado, but I would think this would be a snap for you to do. hint
hint
> ... ;)
>
>
> > I noticed a link called D journal on the DM page, I have room to host it
> if
> > someone wants to write it ?
>
> Thanks for that. We've got all the space we need, as Jan is hosting it on the DM server. The journal is something that we will progress in the non-too-distant future, but it is backed up behind a number of other
tasks.
> Walter's busy writing the D compiler, I'm busy on my C++ book, all the D coding-gurus are busy writing D libs.
>
> Be assured that it is something Walter and I keep mentioning to each other from time to time, and it has not been forgotten or jettisoned. It's a
great
> idea waiting for the right time (which is soon - probably before the end
of
> this year).
>
> Matthew
>
>

"Charles Sanders" <sanders-consulting@comcast.net> wrote in message news:bg9n3j$2hva$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> > Be assured that it is something Walter and I keep mentioning to each
other
> > from time to time, and it has not been forgotten or jettisoned.
>
> Cool that would be something fun :).

Well the long term plan would be for it to be both fun and serious, and I have every intention for it to be a fully-fledged publication - on a par with CUJ/DDJ/TPJ/WDN - although getting it to that level will require serious effort on the part of the editors & authors, not to mention a mainstream status of D itself. Still we have time and talent, so let's see ...

>
> > Walter's busy writing the D compiler, I'm busy on my C++ book, all the D coding-gurus are busy writing D libs.
>
> Looking forward to the book!

Cool. I'll let the publisher know that they can increase the print run to 17. ;)

Charles

Am applauding of your efforts with DIDE, and look forward to using it. I have a couple of concerns, however:

1. Are you abstracting as much as possible away from MFC, so it can be
reimplemented in WTL (for coolness) and later in D (for ultimate coolness)?

2. Are you providing a component based approach so that it can host plug-ins. My own D plans - once I open a time window in a month or so - is to write a D+COM template library (currently called DCTL for want of a cooler acronym/name) that is superior to the flawed but useful (and admittedly pretty damn good) ATL. I would be very keen on DIDE if it could host COM plug-ins for moderating various IDE aspects. It would be super cool if the DIDE had a plug-in wizard architecture such that it could be used for _writing_ DCTL components.

3. I'm also interested in (someone else developing) plug-ins for D for other IDEs, and wonder whether that's factored into your current architecture? i.e. what bits might be easily abstracted and work as plug-ins to, say, Visual Studio, Metrowerks CodeWarrior. (I believe they both have a reasonably pluggable architecture in their latest incarnations).

In the long term, I wonder whether you've thought about merging DIDE and the DMC++ IDDE, such that DIDE could debug D (and C, and C++) code? I don't know whether that would be something Walter would sanction from a commercial basis, but it'd be a fantastic boost to the usability of D.

Cheers

Matthew

"Charles Sanders" <sanders-consulting@comcast.net> wrote in message news:bg9fbh$2ajt$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>
> Hey all, lots of changes to DIDE its getting close to useable now.  Its at
a
> new site at
>
> www.atari-soldiers.com
>
> Im planning on adding code browser soon (thanks to keith's great idea of CTAGS! ), and then a dialog editor.
>
> I'm waiting on approval from sourceforge for DublN (CPAN like tool ), but they are taking a suspiciously long time to respond.  I would host it but
my
> hosting company doesnt offer mysql, does anyone have any room somewhere so we can get started on this ?
>
> I noticed a link called D journal on the DM page, I have room to host it
if
> someone wants to write it ?
>
> Charles
>
>

> 1. Are you abstracting as much as possible away from MFC, so it can be
> reimplemented in WTL (for coolness) and later in D (for ultimate
coolness)?

Yea I use the 5 tier'd approach of http://www.ambysoft.com/buildingObjectApplications.html.  However the GUI in this case is most of code, theres not much in DIDE other than 'glue' code, managing the projects , editor and compiler etc, but all those are self contained.

> 2. Are you providing a component based approach so that it can host plug-ins

I was thinking about exposing some of the editor internals to a D module so you could write compiled scripts much like emacs uses elisp, but I really dont have much experience with COM, other than using it. I think that would be a great idea though, I'll dig up some material for it.

> 3. I'm also interested in (someone else developing) plug-ins for D for
other
> IDEs, and wonder whether that's factored into your current architecture?

No I have no experience with writing plug-ins for either of those compilers (or any for that matter) , I'll try to find some code examples / material for it though.  I don't know that I see a huge benefit in having cross-IDE plugins though, are CodeWarriors and VS's compatible ?

Charles


"Matthew Wilson" <matthew@stlsoft.org> wrote in message news:bg9npq$2iie$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> Charles
>
> Am applauding of your efforts with DIDE, and look forward to using it. I have a couple of concerns, however:
>
> 1. Are you abstracting as much as possible away from MFC, so it can be
> reimplemented in WTL (for coolness) and later in D (for ultimate
coolness)?
>
> 2. Are you providing a component based approach so that it can host plug-ins. My own D plans - once I open a time window in a month or so - is to write a D+COM template library (currently called DCTL for want of a cooler acronym/name) that is superior to the flawed but useful (and admittedly pretty damn good) ATL. I would be very keen on DIDE if it could host COM plug-ins for moderating various IDE aspects. It would be super
cool
> if the DIDE had a plug-in wizard architecture such that it could be used
for
> _writing_ DCTL components.
>
> 3. I'm also interested in (someone else developing) plug-ins for D for
other
> IDEs, and wonder whether that's factored into your current architecture? i.e. what bits might be easily abstracted and work as plug-ins to, say, Visual Studio, Metrowerks CodeWarrior. (I believe they both have a reasonably pluggable architecture in their latest incarnations).
>
> In the long term, I wonder whether you've thought about merging DIDE and
the
> DMC++ IDDE, such that DIDE could debug D (and C, and C++) code? I don't
know
> whether that would be something Walter would sanction from a commercial basis, but it'd be a fantastic boost to the usability of D.
>
> Cheers
>
> Matthew
>
> "Charles Sanders" <sanders-consulting@comcast.net> wrote in message news:bg9fbh$2ajt$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> >
> > Hey all, lots of changes to DIDE its getting close to useable now.  Its
at
> a
> > new site at
> >
> > www.atari-soldiers.com
> >
> > Im planning on adding code browser soon (thanks to keith's great idea of CTAGS! ), and then a dialog editor.
> >
> > I'm waiting on approval from sourceforge for DublN (CPAN like tool ),
but
> > they are taking a suspiciously long time to respond.  I would host it
but
> my
> > hosting company doesnt offer mysql, does anyone have any room somewhere
so
> > we can get started on this ?
> >
> > I noticed a link called D journal on the DM page, I have room to host it
> if
> > someone wants to write it ?
> >
> > Charles
> >
> >
>
>