Matthew Wilson wrote:
>>>It depends how depleted you are. When you've got to the stage that you
> 
> have
> 
>>>an exercise headache, you'll likely suck up the 150-200 calories (sorry,
>>>being English I can't think in KJ) before your Eyelets react and start
>>>releasing insulin. (My step-father is a consultant dialectician, so I'll
>>>have to run this by him to check.)
>>>
>>
>>"dialectician" ? -- lol
> 
> 
> diabetician <blush>
> 
> Maybe it was a freudian slip
> 
> 
> 

That was so a freudian slip...it made me laugh!

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|
| I know what you mean. In 1994 I carried my hulking carcass up various
| Le-Tour famous mountains in the Alps - L'Alpe D'Huex, Lauteret, Vars -
| mostly on ambition than on talent. I could hardly see the last 500 meters
of
| the ascent of L'Alpe D'Huez, and kept asking my greyhound-build friend
"are
| we there yet?". When he finally said yes, I simply fell sideways and the
| world went black. Ambition satisfied, we descended straight (well, once my
| eyes, ears and sense of balance returned) back into D'ourg D'oisans, where
I
| sat and ate cakes for four hours while he rode solo the 70 miles back to
the
| car. (I wasn't going any further that day!)
|
| I plan to do it all again, minus the collapse, in a couple of years, once
| I've stopped sitting in a chair writing a book, and am back to a modicum
of
| fitness.
|

[Touristic cheap plug alert]

My suggestion: South America. Ecuador in particular. You get all the mountains you want (you can get as high as 6310 meters) all surrounded with beautiful landscapes. If you get tired of that, you have either rainforest at the east or coast at the west, all beautiful, with the most exotic creatures from this side of the universe. Finally, you can go to rest to the Galapagos Islands and see some extraordinary animals and plants. (FYI, those are the same islands where Charles Darwin finally came up with his evolution theory)

I could write even more, but I think today has been a really non-D day in this ng.

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Mike Wynn wrote:


> 
> wimp!say what you mean ... anyway Coca Cola's not volatile, its no good for
> starting a bar-b-que (to fry the creatures to slow to run away), however it
> is vile.
> 
> imho, sugars should only to be consumed once fermented.
> 
> 

Wimp? :) yes! no! sometimes! Oh...now I don't know what I mean to say!

I don't know about you, but Coca Cola IS volatile in my stomach. But certainly not volatile in the fermented sense of the word.  I stay away from that stuff! I'm crazy enough as it is.

"John Reimer" <jjreimer@telus.net> wrote in message news:bhjs8i$ks7$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> Walter wrote:
> > "John Reimer" <jjreimer@telus.net> wrote in message news:bhjd2s$5ob$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> >>I still have trouble believing the volatile concoction called "Coca Cola" can be good for you in any situation.
> > You're stepping awfully close to heresy.
> Ohhh No! Uh... would it help to say that I've acted the part of the hypocrite and do very occasionnally have the ambrosia?

Write 6 goto's and 3 self-modifying loops, and you'll be absolved.

"Mike Wynn" <mike.wynn@l8night.co.uk> wrote in message news:bhjuji$mri$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>
> "Walter" <walter@digitalmars.com> wrote in message news:bhjsnl$l61$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> >
> > "Martin M. Pedersen" <martin@moeller-pedersen.dk> wrote in message news:bhgh13$flp$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> > > "Charles Sanders" <sanders-consulting@comcast.net> wrote in message news:bhgdqv$cfh$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> > > > It would be more elegenat if you didnt use goto's :P.
> > > I know, but still, "goto" is part of the language.
> >
> > A "goto" is invaluable if you're using D as a back-end for another
> language,
> > since all control structures can be represented by if's and goto's.
> >
> that's a big "IF". or should it be a why ? does it not make more sense to have an interface to the D compilers backend so you feed it an ast/dag instead (there are lots of tools for creating asts from langs, very few
for
> creating dag froms ast and less code from dag).

It's no different than people using C as a back end to their language Z, and many many people (including myself) have wanted to make C as the output of D. Supporting goto isn't hard, why close the door on such uses?

"Carlos Santander B." <carlos8294@msn.com> wrote in message news:bhk1tq$ppe$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> "Matthew Wilson" <matthew@stlsoft.org> wrote in message
> news:bhjvng$nt4$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> |
> | I know what you mean. In 1994 I carried my hulking carcass up various
> | Le-Tour famous mountains in the Alps - L'Alpe D'Huex, Lauteret, Vars -
> | mostly on ambition than on talent. I could hardly see the last 500
meters
> of
> | the ascent of L'Alpe D'Huez, and kept asking my greyhound-build friend
> "are
> | we there yet?". When he finally said yes, I simply fell sideways and the
> | world went black. Ambition satisfied, we descended straight (well, once
my
> | eyes, ears and sense of balance returned) back into D'ourg D'oisans,
where
> I
> | sat and ate cakes for four hours while he rode solo the 70 miles back to
> the
> | car. (I wasn't going any further that day!)
> |
> | I plan to do it all again, minus the collapse, in a couple of years,
once
> | I've stopped sitting in a chair writing a book, and am back to a modicum
> of
> | fitness.
> |
>
> [Touristic cheap plug alert]
>
> My suggestion: South America. Ecuador in particular. You get all the mountains you want (you can get as high as 6310 meters) all surrounded
with
> beautiful landscapes. If you get tired of that, you have either rainforest at the east or coast at the west, all beautiful, with the most exotic creatures from this side of the universe. Finally, you can go to rest to
the
> Galapagos Islands and see some extraordinary animals and plants. (FYI,
those
> are the same islands where Charles Darwin finally came up with his
evolution
> theory)

Sounds fantastic. My mum & stepfather have been to the Galapagos - he's a bit of a naturalist at heart - and they say it is almost out of this world. Maybe when the mortgage is paid, and the kids are old enough to stay at grandma's. :)

>
> I could write even more, but I think today has been a really non-D day in this ng.

Well, it's the weekend ...

I thought it was all a pleasant distraction, until it's got all sticky in the last few posts. :(

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Carlos Santander B. wrote:


> I'm not much a sportsman myself. I like playing basketball, but I don't play
> much often. Anyway, if you really want to feel tired, exhausted and ...
> (whatever other word like those that is available) like you would never
> imagine, exercise at 2800 meters above the sea (that'd be over 9000 feet).
> Believe me, that sweet drink tastes much better up here.
> 

That's a recognized training technique: run at high elevations to help adapt the body to operating on low oxygen levels.  That's a painful but effective way to train.  I can imagine you would feel like superman at sea-level after that.  I have a bit of elevation training here, just because it's where I live, but it's only about 1000 feet asl.  I can't imagine doing it at 2800 M -- I would definitely become hypoxic :-P.  A bottle of oxygen would be sweet enough drink for me!

I love the idea of running through mountains, though, especially if there's somewhere to GOTO swim afterwords!

Later,

John

"John Reimer" <jjreimer@telus.net> wrote in message
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| That's a recognized training technique: run at high elevations to help
| adapt the body to operating on low oxygen levels.  That's a painful but
| effective way to train.  I can imagine you would feel like superman at
| sea-level after that.  I have a bit of elevation training here, just

Actually, no. I've only lived here for 3 1/2 years now, and I'm not adapted to it. If you ask why, I had some kind of asthma or something years ago and I never fully recovered.

| because it's where I live, but it's only about 1000 feet asl.  I can't | imagine doing it at 2800 M -- I would definitely become hypoxic :-P.  A | bottle of oxygen would be sweet enough drink for me!

Over here, we love football (that's soccer, for the american ones), and there're international events all the time. In Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, etc., there aren't really high mountains, so when they come to play over here (especially the argentinians, no kidding) they complain a lot. I've heard of cases when foreign teams have come with oxygen and they use it in the half time.

The hardest thing is that you can barely feel you sweat, because of the humidity (I don't know how that works, I'm just repeating what I've read). So, people who don't know about that, keep training for a couple of hours without drinking anything because they don't think they need it. After a while, they're dehydratated. Now that I think about, it happened to me once (but because I had nothing to drink, not because I thought I didn't need it)... lol

|
| I love the idea of running through mountains, though, especially if
| there's somewhere to GOTO swim afterwords!

lol

|
| Later,
|
| John
|

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Doesn't all this argy-bargy boil down to this:

1. No language is perfect
2. No practitioner is perfect
3. There are conflicting tradeoffs in all software between correctness,
robustness, performance, maintainability, ease-of-developement, portability.
4. A consequence of 1, 2 & 3 will always require the occasional (and the
less frequent the better) recourse to the grungy and nasty

I've recently read Robert Glass' Facts and Fallacies of Software Engineering, and it's the first software engineering non-coding book I've ever read that truly made sense. I think I would disagree with no more than a handful of the things he said in it. Pretty much the main point he makes is that no languages (or methodologies) are perfect, and that the best quality software relies, almost entirely, on having talented and motivated individuals than it does on having particular tools, or management methods, or the next great development methodological panacea, or even particular languages.

Given that he has a long and distinguished career as practioner, academic and writer in IT, I am prepared to go out on a limb and be encouraged that he talks sense to me, rather than imagine that he's the only other SE practitioner in the world besides myself who believes in the truth of 1, 2 & 3. Maybe, maybe not.

But then there's Kent Beck, and Walter, and Alex Stepanov, and Steve Dewhurst, and Bill Gates, and Fred Brooks, and about 50 former colleagues, and many many smart people on the D newsgroup, and ...

> Actually, no. I've only lived here for 3 1/2 years now, and I'm not adapted
> to it. If you ask why, I had some kind of asthma or something years ago and
> I never fully recovered.

I can see that being very hard on you, then!  Asthma is bad enough at sea level!

> 
> The hardest thing is that you can barely feel you sweat, because of the
> humidity (I don't know how that works, I'm just repeating what I've read).
> So, people who don't know about that, keep training for a couple of hours
> without drinking anything because they don't think they need it. After a
> while, they're dehydratated. Now that I think about, it happened to me once
> (but because I had nothing to drink, not because I thought I didn't need
> it)... lol
>

Humidity, an evil and foul word. The humidity factor prevents you from sweating effectively because the humidity factor in the air prevents the process of evaporation.  Evaporation of your sweat is critical to transfer of heat from the body.  If you just keep sweating without evaporation, the body core temperature will likely increase (and you will continue to ineffectively sweat more).  It's a biological feedback system that cannot correct itself as it should.  You will dehydrate much sooner in these conditions.  The risk of heat exhaustion (dehydration) and even heat stroke (elevated core temperature) are much greater.  I've run in this kind of weather, and I can barely get a 1/3 of the distance that I usually do.  I hate dry heat... but I loathe humid heat more. Quick consumption of an electrolyte-filled drink is critical here -- Cola just won't do.

Later,

John