Does D have any political goals? (page 5)

On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 23:30:15 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: > On 11/8/2022 3:03 PM, Elon Musk wrote: >> On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 22:51:42 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: >>> I forgot to add that if forum members prefer to use a pseudonym, we respect that and will not attempt to unmask them. >> >> Thank you for this. > > All you Rust/Zig/C++ developers secretly using D are safe here! 🤣

On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 17:10:28 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: > Regardless, lets not erase people by using pronouns that greatly favor in specificity one set of people over another. When we are not speaking about specific people. > > "they" is a great way to be inclusive, and generally speaking not offend anyone :) > > Everyone is welcome here, if their goal is to use D. Lets not push people away over wanting to hold on to language that favors one portion of the population over another. Noone is being "erased", or favored, and pretending to be offended is a tactic used by narcissists and manipulative people. In a healthy community, that's not behavior that you want to encourage.

On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 17:10:28 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: > > Regardless, lets not erase people by using pronouns that greatly favor in specificity one set of people over another. When we are not speaking about specific people. > > "they" is a great way to be inclusive, and generally speaking not offend anyone :) > > Everyone is welcome here, if their goal is to use D. Lets not push people away over wanting to hold on to language that favors one portion of the population over another. "They" is highly offensive to me fwiw as it's completely against the English grammar that I learned at school. Singular 3rd person form of to "be" is "is". Do you say "they is"? No you don't, ergo it cannot be a singular form. There is nothing "inclusive" about wrong English. I've heard "they" used incorrectly about a million times now. It will never sound correct to me no matter how often I hear it.

November 09, 2022

Re: Does D have any political goals?

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On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 14:01:38 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote:

I forgot that I’ve seen DIP drafts that used her pronouns to refer to an abstract programmer. I’d consider that overtly politically motivated. My personal taste is not even deciding between generic he and the recently emerging, yet disputed among linguists, “singular” they and just go with they and use the plural programmers.

Using "he", "she" or "they" in a technical paper without referring what that means is an error, similar to a dangling motivator error. You can use "the raccoon" if you want to but you must explain what that means in the text. Using "the user" might also need a clarification, like the end user/customer of a particular library. In legal documents this is even more important in order to avoid ambiguities.

In my opinion, using he/she/they in technical documentations should be avoided as far as possible and it also looks amateurish.

On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 19:52:47 UTC, Araq wrote: > On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 17:10:28 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: >> [...] > > "They" is highly offensive to me fwiw as it's completely against the English grammar that I learned at school. Singular 3rd person form of to "be" is "is". Do you say "they is"? No you don't, ergo it cannot be a singular form. > > There is nothing "inclusive" about wrong English. I've heard "they" used incorrectly about a million times now. It will never sound correct to me no matter how often I hear it. Actually this is proper Queen's English dating back to the 14th century for first written cases of such use.

On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 21:18:33 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: > This thread is descending into politics. Please stop. I woke up this morning, went to work, checked the forums on my iPhone, and instantly regretted not having shut this thread down immediately after Walter's post above. This thread was a blinding example of why we don't want politics, or social issues, or religion, discussed in these forums. It's not because we don't care about any of that, but because they easily derail into flamefests. Any further posts in this thread will be deleted. Thanks!

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