problem is, that forces us, similar to c++, to write TWO stream operators every time, wich happen to be the same.. (thats why opCall is great.. its "bidirectional", or bether "nondirectional" :D)

always overloading operator>> and operator<< is stupid, because there could be just one..

think of this:

struct vec3 {
float x,y,z;
}

vec3 operator~> {
~> x ~> y ~> z;
}

and we could write like this:

vec3 v;
inFile ~> v;
and to store
v ~> outFile;

and infile on its own knows how to read in a float (wich could be stored binary, or textual, depending on the in-stream-type, of course).. and then, it would just read in 3 floats that way, and vec3 would be set.

short, very simple, and very straightforward..

a stream class does then only have to be able to read in, or write out (or both:D) the basic types, and the rest is done like that.

oh, and

T[] operator ~> {
this.length ~>;
foreach(T component; this) {
component ~>;
}
}

would be the generic solution for an array.. so you can write out, and read in, those, too..

ack, we need bether templates..

template(T) T max(T a,T b) { return a > b ? a : b; }

template(T) T[] operator ~> {
length ~>;
foreach(T o; this) o ~>;
}



so.. i think that was about that..

In article <bor47q$1ssg$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Hauke Duden says...
>
>davepermen wrote:
>> i haven't written <-, but <~.. but its as ambiguous:D
>
>Whooops. Sorry ;)
>
>> i just don't like the way the non-ambiguous ones look like..
>> 
>> how about making it one direction only?
>
>You would have to read pull-lines from left to right and push-lines from right to left. That's inconsistent and burdensome to read. The right side might be scrolled out of the window for long lines, so you would only see a nonsensical chain of values, without knowing where they actually go.
>
>Naaah, I think we need two different operators.
>
>Hauke

Roald Ribe wrote:

>~ is bad enough, on a Norwegian keyboard it is a dead key.
>  (Alt Gr + ~) release (SPACE)
>
>° and µ does not even appear on my keyboard.
>
>§@# works. And can be displayed in 7-bit ASCII.
>Can ~ be displayed on 7-bit ASCII terminals? I doubt it.
>
>Roald
>
>
>  
>
Why not just use a Norwegian symbol and run in through a simple preprocessor.  Since D supports unicode, another option (I think this has been discussed before), is to have some support for aliasing symbols.  Like either having a command for it (alias ~ to #), or a pluginable language module.  But this can all be done with a pre-compiler anyways.

IMHO: There's always going to be some keyboard without the required keys (what about mobile phones and handled devices?).

>IMHO: There's always going to be some keyboard without the required keys (what about mobile phones and handled devices?).

i feel good that i don't code yet on those while i'm bored... i feel sort of.. free:D

but yeah, ~ is not one key on my keyboard, but it is on it.. alt-gr and the one left of backspace.. so what? i'm trained to use it..

Perhaps we should post the symbols that we have on our keyboards and than we could the which everybody has.

^°!"§$%&/()=?²³{[]}\´`+*~#'-.:,;<>|@
(BTW: it's a german keyboard)

In article <botkrj$2q4m$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Matthias Becker wrote:
> Perhaps we should post the symbols that we have on our keyboards and than we could the which everybody has.

Cool idea. I never knew that German keyboard had *those* keys...

> ^°!"§$%&/()=?²³{[]}\´`+*~#'-.:,;<>|@

Remove °²³, add ½¨£¤ (which nobody really uses), and you have the Finnish/Swedish keyboard. The keys that are common for them are:

^!"§$%&/()=?`´+*~#'-.:,;<>|@

I think the US keyboard doesn't have § or ´ so we're left with:

^!"$%&/()=?`+*~#'-.:,;<>|@

Now what was the key missing from the Italian layout? ~? So there:

^!"$%&/()=?`+*#'-.:,;<>|@

-Antti

>Now what was the key missing from the Italian layout? ~? So there:
>
>^!"$%&/()=?`+*#'-.:,;<>|@


Oh, of courase I forgot the €. But I don't think any non-european country has this.

"Matthias Becker" <Matthias_member@pathlink.com> wrote in message news:bovl0i$2tc9$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> >Now what was the key missing from the Italian layout? ~? So there:
> >
> >^!"$%&/()=?`+*#'-.:,;<>|@
>
>
> Oh, of courase I forgot the €. But I don't think any non-european country
has
> this.

My Spanish keyboard has € (using AltGr+E) and I live in Colombia. Also, I've seen some US english keywords with it.

"Julio César Carrascal Urquijo" <adnoctum@phreaker.net> wrote in message
news:bovveo$b9q$1@digitaldaemon.com...
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| My Spanish keyboard has € (using AltGr+E) and I live in Colombia. Also,
I've
| seen some US english keywords with it.
|

So does mine (although I have it as latin american, so it doesn't work ;) )


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In article <slrnbr56le.7v8.jsykari@pulu.hut.fi>, Antti =?iso-8859-1?Q?Syk=E4ri?= says...
>
[...]
>
>Now what was the key missing from the Italian layout? ~? So there:
>
>^!"$%&/()=?`+*#'-.:,;<>|@

The italian keyboard is missing also ` (the backquote : Alt-96), So there:

^!"$%&/()=?+*#'-.:,;<>|@

Ciao

Matthias Becker wrote:
> Oh, of courase I forgot the €. But I don't think any non-european country has
> this.

It is unicode, so better not use it. Not everyone uses a unicode editor all the time.

Italian keyboard also lacks ` and some other keys. Really bad. :(

-eye