On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 04:30:01 +0000, Ant wrote:

> From the subject I thought you were talking about Walter!
> 
> Ant

:-D

No, Walter's important, but not that important.

Carlos Santander B. wrote:

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> I might be wrong, but in your version, the program returns before the 'finally',
> so maybe gc_term is not called. Can't test it now, though.

OK, so what did you think was the whole point of 'finally'?

Stewart.

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John Reimer wrote:

> No, that's fine.  I just don't know if the group will appreciate much more.

Recalling discussions on vegetarism and fast food, i'd think it's fine.

As to the rest: we are most definetaly living in different worlds. For me, i don't need God to exist to explain things, evolution (which is definately there) and selection (also indisputably) is enough.

Our current moral (as with the major sins from the bible) may be a result of a normal process, in which populations which did not adhere to a similar model destroyed themselves. So it may reappear in religion, non-religious philosophy (Kant), everything. Recall that Buddhism is in fact a philosophy, not a religion (since it contains no God), and nontheless it teaches people to leave peacefully with each other.

To that extent, i don't have to lie to myself, and can be a good person not because of "sins" or because "god told me that", or "god might punish me else", but because i know so is better for everyone. And on the other hand, i see some people go to the church, offload their sins to the preacher, and there they come out, washed clean - ready to do some more. I am thinking of a certain political person in particular, but this seems to be a common problem. No, i think this alone cannot be enough. And i don't blame a religion - instead i blame the churches. They have the power to say "you should feel sorry" instead of always deceiving "god forgives you".

> And that's your free choice.  If caring about it is not important to you, than why write about it? God's existance would very much affect life because He would have made it.  If you don't believe so, that's fine, but it doesn't change whether He exists or not.  Also You can't claim that God's existance affects life to the negative if you don't believe He exists in the first place.  You must first accept that He exists, then blame Him for making things so miserable, and finally decide you'd rather be against Him than for Him.  That's your choice too. ;-)

I never claimed he affects life to the negative. And i never assumed he would exist. I was raised to assume he doesn't, and i feel quite comfortable with it.

-eye

I've obviously decided to take the fifth on this issue, but ...

> John Reimer wrote:
>
> > No, that's fine.  I just don't know if the group will appreciate much
more.
>
> Recalling discussions on vegetarism and fast food, i'd think it's fine.
>
> As to the rest: we are most definetaly living in different worlds. For
> me, i don't need God to exist to explain things, evolution (which is
> definately there) and selection (also indisputably) is enough.

Evolution is most definitely proven in practice, by the experience of pepper moth around the period of the industrial revolution.

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Matthew wrote:

>Evolution is most definitely proven in practice, by the experience of pepper
>moth around the period of the industrial revolution.
>
><snip>
>
>  
>

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/textbook-fraud-pepper-moth-biston-betularia.htm

Hmmm... In fact, i can't recall running over this story during my school years. I believe it's the first time i hear it. It should be very hard to show evolution happening now (during one man's lifetime) since the environmental changes are not rapid. However, there are so many signs of it from the distant past (which created current life forms and the originals stayed as well), that it hardly should be disputed upon.

-eye

J Anderson wrote:
> Matthew wrote:
> 
>> Evolution is most definitely proven in practice, by the experience of pepper
>> moth around the period of the industrial revolution.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
> 
> http://www.bible.ca/tracks/textbook-fraud-pepper-moth-biston-betularia.htm

Ilya Minkov wrote:

> Hmmm... In fact, i can't recall running over this story during my school years. I believe it's the first time i hear it. It should be very hard to show evolution happening now (during one man's lifetime) since the environmental changes are not rapid. However, there are so many signs of it from the distant past (which created current life forms and the originals stayed as well), that it hardly should be disputed upon.
>
> -eye

Well, that's the belief of evolutionists.  Everytime something doesn't fit the mould they just add a couple million years and say, she'll be right mate.   A good example is the technique used to date dinosaurs (as they are a common area of *proof* for evolutionists) and the creation of earth.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/carbondating.html (Christian bias)

I could say the same thing about Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism or Buddhism.  They all have *indisputable proof*.

J Anderson wrote:
> Ilya Minkov wrote:
> 
>> Hmmm... In fact, i can't recall running over this story during my school years. I believe it's the first time i hear it. It should be very hard to show evolution happening now (during one man's lifetime) since the environmental changes are not rapid. However, there are so many signs of it from the distant past (which created current life forms and the originals stayed as well), that it hardly should be disputed upon.
>>
>> -eye
> 
> 
> Well, that's the belief of evolutionists.  Everytime something doesn't fit the mould they just add a couple million years and say, she'll be right mate.   A good example is the technique used to date dinosaurs (as they are a common area of *proof* for evolutionists) and the creation of earth.
> 
> http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/carbondating.html (Christian bias)
> 
> I could say the same thing about Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism or Buddhism.  They all have *indisputable proof*.


Good points.  That's why it all eventually comes down to faith for every philosophy out there.  We all end up believing without what would be considered sufficient evidence.

J Anderson wrote:

> Matthew wrote:
> 
>> Evolution is most definitely proven in practice, by the experience of pepper
>> moth around the period of the industrial revolution.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>  
>>
> 
> http://www.bible.ca/tracks/textbook-fraud-pepper-moth-biston-betularia.htm

I was going to respond, but this summed it up better.  The pepper moth example is used once and awhile as a proof attempt, but is hardly an example of good science.

please end this discussion.

Ant