I've looked around for answers but found none, so:

1.    Why is windows.d's module name std.c.windows.windows instead of just std.c.windows?

2.    Why does std.windows.iunknown exist when the functionality (which I assume is to provide a std com base class) is achieved in std.c.windows.com?

3.    Has anyone written a std.c.windows.idispatch yet, if not, should I?

4.    Is there a socket library yet?

5.    If I want to contribute how do I - I notice that posting here doesn't cut it as there is no 'official' feed back on my split idea.

6.    Would someone please have a look at the 'split' code I posted - I'd really appreciate some advice on my interpretation of D.


Thanks,

Comments imbedded:

> 1.    Why is windows.d's module name std.c.windows.windows instead of just
> std.c.windows?

Because if "%/std/c/windows.d" existed, then imports like std.c.windows.registry would be looked for in that file.  Personally I think it needs work... it'd be nice to have source files with the same name as directories.

> 2.    Why does std.windows.iunknown exist when the functionality (which I
> assume is to provide a std com base class) is achieved in std.c.windows.com?

Not sure.  I think its just temporary legacy stuff.

> 3.    Has anyone written a std.c.windows.idispatch yet, if not, should I?

Not a COM person, dunno...

> 4.    Is there a socket library yet?

Yep.  There's Vathix's library here:
http://www.dprogramming.com/socket.php

Or you can talk to Kris about testing the DSC beta which has some stream capabilities wrapped around that same socket module.  I haven't toyed with it myself just yet, so I can't vouch.  (Althoug DSC in general has been nice.)

> 5.    If I want to contribute how do I - I notice that posting here doesn't
> cut it as there is no 'official' feed back on my split idea.

Sometimes it cuts it, sometimes it doesn't.  I think you just need to explicitly state that something is meant for Phobos, maybe email it to Walter, I'm not sure.

> 6.    Would someone please have a look at the 'split' code I posted - I'd
> really appreciate some advice on my interpretation of D.

-C. Sauls
-Invironz

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:22:15 -0500, C. Sauls wrote:

> Comments imbedded:
> 
>> 5.    If I want to contribute how do I - I notice that posting here doesn't cut it as there is no 'official' feed back on my split idea.
> 
> Sometimes it cuts it, sometimes it doesn't.  I think you just need to explicitly state that something is meant for Phobos, maybe email it to Walter, I'm not sure.

It's a pitty Walter can't manage the potencial of this group. He just can't, for whatever reason.

Ant

"Ant" <duitoolkit@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:pan.2004.04.18.14.04.07.838648@yahoo.ca...
> It's a pitty Walter can't manage the potencial of this group. He just can't, for whatever reason.

The reason is that there is just too much happening with D. I'm falling further and further behind :-(

Walter wrote:

> "Ant" <duitoolkit@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:pan.2004.04.18.14.04.07.838648@yahoo.ca...
> 
>>It's a pitty Walter can't manage the potencial of this group.
>>He just can't, for whatever reason.
> 
> 
> The reason is that there is just too much happening with D. I'm falling
> further and further behind :-(
> 
> 

Which is why I suggested to create a Phobos group some time ago.
Nobody else agreed, though...

It's the only chance for Phobos to become something really great IMHO.
Whether any group of people is interested in taking the responsibility
is something else.

Lars Ivar Igesund

"Lars Ivar Igesund" <larsivar@igesund.net> wrote in message news:c5uja0$2sqq$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> Walter wrote:
>
> > "Ant" <duitoolkit@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:pan.2004.04.18.14.04.07.838648@yahoo.ca...
> >
> >>It's a pitty Walter can't manage the potencial of this group. He just can't, for whatever reason.
> >
> >
> > The reason is that there is just too much happening with D. I'm falling further and further behind :-(
> >
> >
>
> Which is why I suggested to create a Phobos group some time ago. Nobody else agreed, though...
>
> It's the only chance for Phobos to become something really great IMHO. Whether any group of people is interested in taking the responsibility is something else.
>
I have now changed my mind and I agree with
you that there should be a group to work on
Phobos.

If I had the talent, I would love to help, but im
afraid that I dont have anywhere near as much
talent as the many others that frequent this group.

If you do get a group going to develop Phobos,
I suggest that it is only people that have used D
for a fair amount of time, because some new comers seem to believe that D
should have everything that their preferred language has, and nothing that
their preferred language doesnt have.

Just a novices opinion.

Phill.



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Noting Phill's comment on newbies (of which I am of course one of the newest): based on the threads I've seen I think we all, esp Walter, may benefit from  few more structured groups, maybe:

d                            <- general language discussion
d.bugs                    <- specific bug discussions
d.phobos                <- general RTL discussion (general libs issues, new
libs, etc)
d.phobos.std.c        <- specific library discussion (inc bug, suggestions,
wishes)
d.phobos.std.widows.windows            <- etc

Thoughts?

PS: Assuming a newbie is allowed to suggest something as revolutionary as
this ;)
PPS: BTW I've started reading the posts from as far back as 13 Aug 01 to try
and 'd-newbie' myself!


"Phill" <phill@pacific.net.au> wrote in message news:c5vpl2$1jnh$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>
> "Lars Ivar Igesund" <larsivar@igesund.net> wrote in message news:c5uja0$2sqq$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> > Walter wrote:
> >
> > > "Ant" <duitoolkit@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:pan.2004.04.18.14.04.07.838648@yahoo.ca...
> > >
> > >>It's a pitty Walter can't manage the potencial of this group. He just can't, for whatever reason.
> > >
> > >
> > > The reason is that there is just too much happening with D. I'm
falling
> > > further and further behind :-(
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Which is why I suggested to create a Phobos group some time ago. Nobody else agreed, though...
> >
> > It's the only chance for Phobos to become something really great IMHO. Whether any group of people is interested in taking the responsibility is something else.
> >
> I have now changed my mind and I agree with
> you that there should be a group to work on
> Phobos.
>
> If I had the talent, I would love to help, but im
> afraid that I dont have anywhere near as much
> talent as the many others that frequent this group.
>
> If you do get a group going to develop Phobos,
> I suggest that it is only people that have used D
> for a fair amount of time, because some new comers seem to believe that D
> should have everything that their preferred language has, and nothing that
> their preferred language doesnt have.
>
> Just a novices opinion.
>
> Phill.
>
>
>
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"Scott Egan" <scotte@tpg.com.aux> wrote in message news:c605s2$28ou$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>
> Noting Phill's comment on newbies (of which I am of course one of the newest): based on the threads I've seen I think we all, esp Walter, may benefit from  few more structured groups, maybe:
>
> d                            <- general language discussion
> d.bugs                    <- specific bug discussions
> d.phobos                <- general RTL discussion (general libs issues,
new
> libs, etc)
> d.phobos.std.c        <- specific library discussion (inc bug,
suggestions,
> wishes)
> d.phobos.std.widows.windows            <- etc
>
> Thoughts?
>

I didnt see a d.newbie in your list, that might be a good one.


With all of them groups, maybe there would
be a bit of an echo in one or two of the groups :o))


> PS: Assuming a newbie is allowed to suggest something as revolutionary as this ;)

Dont take me the wrong way, please. I wasnt talking about suggestions, I
meant
the actual decisions and development, should be done by people with a lot of
experience with D. These people propbably undestand Walters vision and
what is needed more than a new comer.

> PPS: BTW I've started reading the posts from as far back as 13 Aug 01 to
try
> and 'd-newbie' myself!

Now that is a lot of reading, good luck!





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I knew what you meant ;)

I was was mucking around - I'll be more serious from now on...sorry...

But I do like the inclusion of a 'd.newbie' group, it'll help de-newbie people ;)


"Phill" <phill@pacific.net.au> wrote in message news:c607da$2at5$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>
> "Scott Egan" <scotte@tpg.com.aux> wrote in message news:c605s2$28ou$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> >
> > Noting Phill's comment on newbies (of which I am of course one of the newest): based on the threads I've seen I think we all, esp Walter, may benefit from  few more structured groups, maybe:
> >
> > d                            <- general language discussion
> > d.bugs                    <- specific bug discussions
> > d.phobos                <- general RTL discussion (general libs issues,
> new
> > libs, etc)
> > d.phobos.std.c        <- specific library discussion (inc bug,
> suggestions,
> > wishes)
> > d.phobos.std.widows.windows            <- etc
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
>
> I didnt see a d.newbie in your list, that might be a good one.
>
>
> With all of them groups, maybe there would
> be a bit of an echo in one or two of the groups :o))
>
>
> > PS: Assuming a newbie is allowed to suggest something as revolutionary
as
> > this ;)
>
> Dont take me the wrong way, please. I wasnt talking about suggestions, I
> meant
> the actual decisions and development, should be done by people with a lot
of
> experience with D. These people propbably undestand Walters vision and what is needed more than a new comer.
>
> > PPS: BTW I've started reading the posts from as far back as 13 Aug 01 to
> try
> > and 'd-newbie' myself!
>
> Now that is a lot of reading, good luck!
>
>
>
>
>
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Scott Egan schrieb:

> But I do like the inclusion of a 'd.newbie' group, it'll help de-newbie
> people ;)

As you're at reading, if i may suggest so, you could make a Q&A for newbies on the Wiki, so we don't have to go through all questions over and over.

-eye