"Derek Parnell" <derek@psych.ward> wrote in message news:1pe9yxf1cvt4m.wfqpb14ru1x9$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:10:55 -0800, Walter wrote:
>
> > Not bad. Can I edit this into a "Tech Tip" and put it on the web site?
>
> Go ahead...knock yourself out!

Done! www.digitalmars.com/techtips/command_prompt.html

You could add a mention in for the NVX tool (http://synesis.com.au/systools.html), which can be used to split them for easy reading/comprehension.

For instance, "nvx -p" gives, on this machine:

C:\bin
F:\WINXP\system32
F:\WINXP
F:\WINXP\system32\WBEM
p:\programs\ruby\bin
C:\bin\batch
C:\bin\scripts
C:\bin\internal
C:\bin
P:\Programs\Ruby
P:\Programs\ActiveState\Perl\bin
P:\Programs\ActiveState\Python22
F:\Program Files\WinZip
P:\Program Files\doxygen\bin
P:\Program Files\NDoc\1.2\bin\.net-1.1
P:\sdks\swig\SWIG-1.3.21
P:\SDKs\Microsoft SDK\Bin
P:\SDKs\Microsoft SDK\Bin\WinNT


"Walter" <newshound@digitalmars.com> wrote in message news:cvmhd0$2vnt$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>
> "Derek Parnell" <derek@psych.ward> wrote in message news:1pe9yxf1cvt4m.wfqpb14ru1x9$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:10:55 -0800, Walter wrote:
>>
>> > Not bad. Can I edit this into a "Tech Tip" and put it on the web site?
>>
>> Go ahead...knock yourself out!
>
> Done! www.digitalmars.com/techtips/command_prompt.html
>
> 

In article <cvmhd0$2vnt$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
>
[...]
>Done! www.digitalmars.com/techtips/command_prompt.html
>

I think there's a typo: you should put in the path both dmd\bin and dm\bin, not dmd\bin twice.

Ciao

"Matthew" <admin@stlsoft.dot.dot.dot.dot.org> wrote in message news:cvmhpe$3028$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> You could add a mention in for the NVX tool (http://synesis.com.au/systools.html), which can be used to split them for easy reading/comprehension.
>
> For instance, "nvx -p" gives, on this machine:

True, it's a nice tool. But the page is for people who have little or no idea how to use the command prompt. This issue comes up repeatedly, many don't even know what a command prompt is. Adding more things they need to download, install, and figure out how to use from the command prompt may not help. The page certainly is no tutorial on mastering the command prompt, hopefully it will just get them past the "what's a cubit?" stage.

(And thanks to Bill Cosby for coining my favorite phrase meaning "I have no
idea what you said" !)

P.S. I've never found any IDE that is as productive as the command prompt. Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. Wanna know why GUI apps tend to stink? I have an APS film cartridge scanner to scan in hundreds of film cartridges. It has a beautiful GUI interface to it. I have to laboriously and tediously babysit the thing for each and every picture it scans, pointing and clicking and typing and pointing and clicking and waiting (as scanning is s-l-o-w). If it was a command prompt program, I'd have written a .bat file to drive it - two keystrokes per cartridge, and I'm off to do other work while I wait 45 minutes for it to finish. There is no mouse-ahead, click-ahead, type-ahead, command history, or automation of GUI apps. There is no touch-typing of a mouse. GUI apps are great for the first time you do something. They are lousy for doing the same thing 100 times. They make you want to scream in frustration.

Ah, maybe it was just a stupid GUI design. Well, that it is. But I have another scanner too (for negatives), an HP Photo Smart scanner. Totally different GUI. Totally unautomatable. Point, click, drag, type, wait, point, click, type, wait, zzzzz.

Let's try another one. My scanner. I tried to scan in an entire book once. Yet another completely different GUI. Point, click, drag, point, click, type, wait, point, drag, click, type, wait, zzzzz. By the time you get to page 50, you're in agony.

Maybe it's just because those are optical products. So let's try my Cool Edit wave editor (editting sound waves). Beautiful GUI interface. Same problem. Nero cd burner. Same again. Microsoft Media Player. Same.

Maybe I just don't get it. Back when the original Mac came out, an evangelist came by to sell us on how great icons were. He showed us a picture of a box of kleenex and and asked us what it was. A box of kleenex. No, no, he said, it was a printer and meant "print". I asked him what was wrong with the letters 'p-r-i-n-t', after all, at least I could look it up in a dictionary or index or grep for it if I didn't understand it. I'm lost with that box of kleenex. He thought I didn't get it. He must have been right, because the world went for icons. But in the end, software developers added little yellow popup boxes with the word "print" in it when your mouse hovered over the box of kleenex. Outlook Express, in which I am composing this, has explanatory words under each icon, which is a good thing because I defy anyone to tell me what those pictures mean. (Oh, the irony, the undo button has the word "Undo" written under it. The yellow popup for it also says "Undo".)

But I still can't remember which is on or off, "O" or "|". I suppose it's fair, though, because now everyone is equally confused.

I know people swear by their favorite GUI IDEs. I know they believe they are more productive with them, just as I believe I am more productive with the command line tools. Who knows, perhaps we're both right.

P.P.S. 20 years later, the icon on O.E. for print still looks like a box of kleenex. It says 'Print' under it, though.

In article <cvmsiv$bel$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
>
>P.S. I've never found any IDE that is as productive as the command prompt. Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. Wanna know why GUI apps tend to stink? I have an APS film cartridge scanner to scan in hundreds of film cartridges. It has a beautiful GUI interface to it. I have to laboriously and tediously babysit the thing for each and every picture it scans, pointing and clicking and typing and pointing and clicking and waiting (as scanning is s-l-o-w). If it was a command prompt program, I'd have written a .bat file to drive it - two keystrokes per cartridge, and I'm off to do other work while I wait 45 minutes for it to finish. There is no mouse-ahead, click-ahead, type-ahead, command history, or automation of GUI apps. There is no touch-typing of a mouse. GUI apps are great for the first time you do something. They are lousy for doing the same thing 100 times. They make you want to scream in frustration.
>
>Ah, maybe it was just a stupid GUI design. Well, that it is. But I have another scanner too (for negatives), an HP Photo Smart scanner. Totally different GUI. Totally unautomatable. Point, click, drag, type, wait, point, click, type, wait, zzzzz.
>
>Let's try another one. My scanner. I tried to scan in an entire book once. Yet another completely different GUI. Point, click, drag, point, click, type, wait, point, drag, click, type, wait, zzzzz. By the time you get to page 50, you're in agony.
>
>Maybe it's just because those are optical products. So let's try my Cool Edit wave editor (editting sound waves). Beautiful GUI interface. Same problem. Nero cd burner. Same again. Microsoft Media Player. Same.
>
>Maybe I just don't get it. Back when the original Mac came out, an evangelist came by to sell us on how great icons were. He showed us a picture of a box of kleenex and and asked us what it was. A box of kleenex. No, no, he said, it was a printer and meant "print". I asked him what was wrong with the letters 'p-r-i-n-t', after all, at least I could look it up in a dictionary or index or grep for it if I didn't understand it. I'm lost with that box of kleenex. He thought I didn't get it. He must have been right, because the world went for icons. But in the end, software developers added little yellow popup boxes with the word "print" in it when your mouse hovered over the box of kleenex. Outlook Express, in which I am composing this, has explanatory words under each icon, which is a good thing because I defy anyone to tell me what those pictures mean. (Oh, the irony, the undo button has the word "Undo" written under it. The yellow popup for it also says "Undo".)
>
>But I still can't remember which is on or off, "O" or "|". I suppose it's fair, though, because now everyone is equally confused.
>
>I know people swear by their favorite GUI IDEs. I know they believe they are more productive with them, just as I believe I am more productive with the command line tools. Who knows, perhaps we're both right.
>
>P.P.S. 20 years later, the icon on O.E. for print still looks like a box of kleenex. It says 'Print' under it, though.
>
>
“Walter you will be assimilated!!,” because GUI, icons, and IDE are the wave of the future. :)) As much as I agree with you that command-line apps trend to get things done quicker (I used to do almost everything at the command prompt at one time)…they too have a learning curve. Plus these days, any product created for the masses, must be user-friendly: where as a user can pick colors for text and windows, pick fonts, change the main window’s skin, etc, and then of course, the app should be able to do what it was created to do. So since "Time" isn’t going to go backwards, you should embrace your GUI, icons, and IDE…until such time, the command-line makes a big comeback. :))

Also, welcome back from your Loin taming training…just kidding!

David L.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
"Dare to reach for the Stars...Dare to Dream, Build, and Achieve!"

Erm, you do realise nvx is a command line tool?

Seriously confused

Matthew

"Walter" <newshound@digitalmars.com> wrote in message news:cvmsiv$bel$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>
> "Matthew" <admin@stlsoft.dot.dot.dot.dot.org> wrote in message news:cvmhpe$3028$1@digitaldaemon.com...
>> You could add a mention in for the NVX tool
>> (http://synesis.com.au/systools.html), which can be used to split
>> them
>> for easy reading/comprehension.
>>
>> For instance, "nvx -p" gives, on this machine:
>
> True, it's a nice tool. But the page is for people who have little or
> no
> idea how to use the command prompt. This issue comes up repeatedly,
> many
> don't even know what a command prompt is. Adding more things they need
> to
> download, install, and figure out how to use from the command prompt
> may not
> help. The page certainly is no tutorial on mastering the command
> prompt,
> hopefully it will just get them past the "what's a cubit?" stage.
>
> (And thanks to Bill Cosby for coining my favorite phrase meaning "I
> have no
> idea what you said" !)
>
> P.S. I've never found any IDE that is as productive as the command
> prompt.
> Or maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon. Wanna know why GUI apps tend to
> stink?
> I have an APS film cartridge scanner to scan in hundreds of film
> cartridges.
> It has a beautiful GUI interface to it. I have to laboriously and
> tediously
> babysit the thing for each and every picture it scans, pointing and
> clicking
> and typing and pointing and clicking and waiting (as scanning is
> s-l-o-w).
> If it was a command prompt program, I'd have written a .bat file to
> drive
> it - two keystrokes per cartridge, and I'm off to do other work while
> I wait
> 45 minutes for it to finish. There is no mouse-ahead, click-ahead,
> type-ahead, command history, or automation of GUI apps. There is no
> touch-typing of a mouse. GUI apps are great for the first time you do
> something. They are lousy for doing the same thing 100 times. They
> make you
> want to scream in frustration.
>
> Ah, maybe it was just a stupid GUI design. Well, that it is. But I
> have
> another scanner too (for negatives), an HP Photo Smart scanner.
> Totally
> different GUI. Totally unautomatable. Point, click, drag, type, wait,
> point,
> click, type, wait, zzzzz.
>
> Let's try another one. My scanner. I tried to scan in an entire book
> once.
> Yet another completely different GUI. Point, click, drag, point,
> click,
> type, wait, point, drag, click, type, wait, zzzzz. By the time you get
> to
> page 50, you're in agony.
>
> Maybe it's just because those are optical products. So let's try my
> Cool
> Edit wave editor (editting sound waves). Beautiful GUI interface. Same
> problem. Nero cd burner. Same again. Microsoft Media Player. Same.
>
> Maybe I just don't get it. Back when the original Mac came out, an
> evangelist came by to sell us on how great icons were. He showed us a
> picture of a box of kleenex and and asked us what it was. A box of
> kleenex.
> No, no, he said, it was a printer and meant "print". I asked him what
> was
> wrong with the letters 'p-r-i-n-t', after all, at least I could look
> it up
> in a dictionary or index or grep for it if I didn't understand it. I'm
> lost
> with that box of kleenex. He thought I didn't get it. He must have
> been
> right, because the world went for icons. But in the end, software
> developers
> added little yellow popup boxes with the word "print" in it when your
> mouse
> hovered over the box of kleenex. Outlook Express, in which I am
> composing
> this, has explanatory words under each icon, which is a good thing
> because I
> defy anyone to tell me what those pictures mean. (Oh, the irony, the
> undo
> button has the word "Undo" written under it. The yellow popup for it
> also
> says "Undo".)
>
> But I still can't remember which is on or off, "O" or "|". I suppose
> it's
> fair, though, because now everyone is equally confused.
>
> I know people swear by their favorite GUI IDEs. I know they believe
> they are
> more productive with them, just as I believe I am more productive with
> the
> command line tools. Who knows, perhaps we're both right.
>
> P.P.S. 20 years later, the icon on O.E. for print still looks like a
> box of
> kleenex. It says 'Print' under it, though.
>
> 

"David L. Davis" <SpottedTiger@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:cvnr8h$19oh$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> Also, welcome back from your Loin taming training.just kidding!

I don't think anyone remembers that Monty Python skit!

"Matthew" <admin@stlsoft.dot.dot.dot.dot.org> wrote in message news:cvnude$1cub$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> Erm, you do realise nvx is a command line tool?

Yes.

> Seriously confused

Sorry. I just went off on a tangent. Most of the post has nothing to do with nvx!

Walter wrote:
> "David L. Davis" <SpottedTiger@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:cvnr8h$19oh$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> 
>>Also, welcome back from your Loin taming training.just kidding!
> 
> 
> I don't think anyone remembers that Monty Python skit!
> 
> 

I think that you are confusing lions with aardvarks.

Translation: I do too remember that skit...and I'm only 21 :P

-- 
-PIB

--
"C++ also supports the notion of *friends*: cooperative classes that
are permitted to see each other's private parts." - Grady Booch

<cut>
> “Walter you will be assimilated!!,” because GUI, icons, and IDE are the wave of
> the future. :)) As much as I agree with you that command-line apps trend to get
> things done quicker (I used to do almost everything at the command prompt at one
> time)…they too have a learning curve. Plus these days, any product created for
> the masses, must be user-friendly: where as a user can pick colors for text and
> windows, pick fonts, change the main window’s skin, etc, and then of course, the
> app should be able to do what it was created to do. So since "Time" isn’t going
> to go backwards, you should embrace your GUI, icons, and IDE…until such time,
> the command-line makes a big comeback. :)) 
> 
> Also, welcome back from your Loin taming training…just kidding!
> 
> David L.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Dare to reach for the Stars...Dare to Dream, Build, and Achieve!"

I don't know about you, but I'm using Linux, and I use the command line every day. So what if it takes me a while to figure out how to write a script to wait for one process to die before starting another (some grepping of the output of ps and some sleeping), it's fun dagnabit! And plus, I doubt there are many GUI tools to do that...

Also, I think it's probably none of our business the Loin training Walter's been doing...unless you mean lion training, it's not really appropriate for this list :P

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-PIB

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"C++ also supports the notion of *friends*: cooperative classes that
are permitted to see each other's private parts." - Grady Booch