In article <d99sua$nkm$1@digitaldaemon.com>, pragma says...
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>In article <d99kcq$hd0$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Brad Beveridge says...
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>>So for me the difference between C/C++ and D is like the difference between driving a Lada and driving a Merceedes - they both get you where you want to do, but one gets you there in style and comfort :)
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>OT: Living here in the USA, I had no clue what a "Lada" was.
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>So here we go. This is the low-end model on their website:
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>http://www.lada.de/html_e/content_e/models/lada_2110_pricelist.html
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>(at today's rate, thats $9634.39 USD.)
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>And the sales pitch:
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>This saloon not only looks good on the outside! Inside it offers spacious
>accommodation for 5, easily accessed by 4 doors. The generous interior of the
>LADA 2110 offers even more comfort-from the four electric windows via the remote
>bootlock to the electronic immobilizer and the automatic heating system.
>All fitted as standard in the LADA 2110 with 56kW (77hp) or 67kW (91hp) and
>unbeatable value for money!
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>- EricAnderton at yahoo

And here is the more traditional look of the (in)famous Lada:

http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B31016.jpg

-Nod-

In article <d99tcn$nmj$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Brad Beveridge says...
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>I've recently moved to the USA, but couldn't think of a brand of car that has a poor reputation for comfort, etc :)  I'm originally from New Zealand, and Lada's (although they may be better now) don't have a good reputation there :)

The most commonly mentioned car with that sort of reputation in the US is probably the Yugo:

http://www.mcnabbs.org/peter/pics/yugo.jpg

But I think we're being a bit unfair to C/C++.  It's probably closer to this:

http://www.sovietarmy.com/vehicles/t-55_icon.jpg


:) Sean

Tom S wrote:
> pragma wrote:
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>> OT: Living here in the USA, I had no clue what a "Lada" was. So here we go. This is the low-end model on their website:
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>> http://www.lada.de/html_e/content_e/models/lada_2110_pricelist.html
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> Well, to me Lada is more like this one:
> http://meelis.klimov.ee/auto/lada.jpg
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Aaarrggghh... That is beggining of 1980-th.
http://www.autogazeta.com/c/1/b/ld00111.jpg
http://www.mayorov.com/auto/vaz/1119/_images/001.jpg
http://img.2dehands.nl/f/normal/8694886.jpg
That is Lada.

-- 
Victor Nakoryakov
nail-mail<at>mail<dot>ru

Krasnoznamensk, Moscow, Russia

In article <d99uv6$ov1$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Sean Kelly says...
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>> <snip>
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>But I think we're being a bit unfair to C/C++.  It's probably closer to this:
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>http://www.sovietarmy.com/vehicles/t-55_icon.jpg
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>:) Sean
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Nah, that would be D. Here is C++ right after a "comparison" :)

http://gridflow.ca/latest/images/lada.jpg

-Nod-

Brad Beveridge wrote:
> pragma wrote:
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>> In article <d99kcq$hd0$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Brad Beveridge says...
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>> OT: Living here in the USA, I had no clue what a "Lada" was. So here we go. This is the low-end model on their website:
>>
>> http://www.lada.de/html_e/content_e/models/lada_2110_pricelist.html
>>
>> (at today's rate, thats $9634.39 USD.)
>>
>> And the sales pitch:
>>
>> This saloon not only looks good on the outside! Inside it offers spacious
>> accommodation for 5, easily accessed by 4 doors. The generous interior of the
>> LADA 2110 offers even more comfort-from the four electric windows via the remote
>> bootlock to the electronic immobilizer and the automatic heating system.
>> All fitted as standard in the LADA 2110 with 56kW (77hp) or 67kW (91hp) and
>> unbeatable value for money!
>>
>> - EricAnderton at yahoo
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> I've recently moved to the USA, but couldn't think of a brand of car that has a poor reputation for comfort, etc :)  I'm originally from New Zealand, and Lada's (although they may be better now) don't have a good reputation there :)
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> Brad

I think the USA equivilent is the Geo!

Brand new...
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jc/images/98metro_cpe.jpg

What happens when you drive them too much...
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ict/wxstory/2001070813_mvc-016s.jpg
http://www.awsomecar.com/pix/wreckmetro.jpg

I know someone who has a geo, it looks like crap.

"Victor Nakoryakov" <nail-mail@mail.ru> wrote in message news:d9a0f7$qg1$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> Aaarrggghh... That is beggining of 1980-th.
> http://www.autogazeta.com/c/1/b/ld00111.jpg
> http://www.mayorov.com/auto/vaz/1119/_images/001.jpg
> http://img.2dehands.nl/f/normal/8694886.jpg
> That is Lada.

Funny, they look very much like early-to-mid-90s Fords.

"Nod" <Nod_member@pathlink.com> wrote in message news:d9a0g6$qgg$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> In article <d99uv6$ov1$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Sean Kelly says... Nah, that would be D. Here is C++ right after a "comparison" :)
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> http://gridflow.ca/latest/images/lada.jpg

What's funnier about that picture is that it looks like they're _selling_ it!

In article <d99tl5$nv9$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Tom S says...
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>pragma wrote:
>> OT: Living here in the USA, I had no clue what a "Lada" was.
>> 
>> So here we go. This is the low-end model on their website:
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>> http://www.lada.de/html_e/content_e/models/lada_2110_pricelist.html
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>Well, to me Lada is more like this one: http://meelis.klimov.ee/auto/lada.jpg
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Yikes, not at all easy on the eyes.  Reminds me of a Yugo.

- EricAnderton at yahoo

"Brad Beveridge" <brad@somewhere.net> wrote in message news:d99ten$nmj$2@digitaldaemon.com...
> Oh dear, I should have looked at the link first - they're still UGLY!

100% true.

It is ugly, noisy, simplistic, etc.

But remeber that story about noise levels on Russian ships?
Also true. But they ARE flying
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=624&ncid=624&e=4&u=/ap/20050621/ap_on_sc/russia_space_station_7
:-P

This does not mean that ergonomic factors are not valuable. They ARE
valuable.
Question just about priorities in limited time/resource frame and overall
robustness of complex systems.

Andrew.

> If D is to be used widely, do we need to add something new? Something that no other language can do? (metaprogramming anyone?)

I guess that first D needs features that C++ can do.
Beg my pardon but this again about: opAssign & co., 'const', struct
ctor/dtor.
and remove 'auto' as too controversial.

Without these it is too hard to C++ (btw and Java) developer to switch to D.
Serious development teams where 'const' is a matter of culture and
tool for collaborative work will definitely stay with C++.

In any case phobos shall include string class/object/whatever allowing to use it as std::string or java.lang.String.

Andrew.