Slashdot have just posted a story called beyond Java

http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/01/1455213

In article <pan.2006.02.01.20.06.12.251531@sneakemail.com>, =?iso-8859-1?q?Knud_S=F8rensen?= says...
>
>Slashdot have just posted a story called beyond Java
>
>http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/01/1455213

Wow.  The feedback to those D posts is.. erm.. brutal.

Gotta love Slashdot.

- Eric Anderton at yahoo

pragma wrote:
> In article <pan.2006.02.01.20.06.12.251531@sneakemail.com>,
> =?iso-8859-1?q?Knud_S=F8rensen?= says...
>> Slashdot have just posted a story called beyond Java
>>
>> http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/01/1455213
> 
> Wow.  The feedback to those D posts is.. erm.. brutal.
> 
> Gotta love Slashdot.
> 
> - Eric Anderton at yahoo

The question for us is, what "killer app" are we going to produce as a community.

In article <drr6qr$25q6$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Kyle Furlong says...
>
>pragma wrote:
>> In article <pan.2006.02.01.20.06.12.251531@sneakemail.com>, =?iso-8859-1?q?Knud_S=F8rensen?= says...
>>> Slashdot have just posted a story called beyond Java
>>>
>>> http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/01/1455213
>> 
>> Wow.  The feedback to those D posts is.. erm.. brutal.
>> 
>> Gotta love Slashdot.
>> 
>> - Eric Anderton at yahoo
>
>The question for us is, what "killer app" are we going to produce as a community.

Good question.  For starters, such an app would have to be a non-toolchain kind of program; this would place it one tier above where most of us are concentrating right now.

D's advantage over its competitors, in the hands of the end user, is in terms of program quality, size and speed.  I think this is a viable niche for a D "killer app" that could attract people to the technology.

I read something on digg the other day about "microtorrent" which was warmly received even though it had pretty much the same feature set its competition.  I distinguished itself by being more responsive, smaller and faster than just about every other torrent tracker out there.  I'd like to think that particular software author managed to tap into something that users actually want.


An idle thought: has anyone around here given any thought to an automated bug reporting service for D apps?  Maybe we can set up something that plugs into dsource.org's Trac system?

- Eric Anderton at yahoo

pragma wrote:
> In article <drr6qr$25q6$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Kyle Furlong says...
>> pragma wrote:
>>> In article <pan.2006.02.01.20.06.12.251531@sneakemail.com>, =?iso-8859-1?q?Knud_S=F8rensen?= says...
>>>> Slashdot have just posted a story called beyond Java
>>>>
>>>> http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/01/1455213
>>> Wow.  The feedback to those D posts is.. erm.. brutal.
>>>
>>> Gotta love Slashdot.
>>>
>>> - Eric Anderton at yahoo
>> The question for us is, what "killer app" are we going to produce as a community.
> 
> Good question.  For starters, such an app would have to be a non-toolchain kind of program; this would place it one tier above where most of us are concentrating right now.
> 
> D's advantage over its competitors, in the hands of the end user, is in terms of program quality, size and speed.  I think this is a viable niche for a D "killer app" that could attract people to the technology.

I think a real "killer app" would be a next generation desktop environment (e.g. D port of KDE using interpreted scripting languages and XML), but it would need to be written from scratch using D.

The main advantages are that
 - D is more powerful than current functional languages
 - D is more reliable (=bug-free) than C/C++
 - D doesn't run under a virtual machine
 - it's easy to integrate garbage collecting scripting languages inside D

Another great project would be a D operating system, but it's far too big a project for this community and eventually would not be able to produce enough hype around D.


-- 
Jari-Matti

"pragma" <pragma_member@pathlink.com> wrote in message news:drr58d$21j0$1@digitaldaemon.com...
> In article <pan.2006.02.01.20.06.12.251531@sneakemail.com>, =?iso-8859-1?q?Knud_S=F8rensen?= says...
>>
>>Slashdot have just posted a story called beyond Java
>>
>>http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/01/1455213
>
> Wow.  The feedback to those D posts is.. erm.. brutal.
>
> Gotta love Slashdot.

Yes, but that also presents us with an opportunity. We can leave feedback as well to correct misinformation.

pragma wrote:
> In article <pan.2006.02.01.20.06.12.251531@sneakemail.com>,
> =?iso-8859-1?q?Knud_S=F8rensen?= says...
>> Slashdot have just posted a story called beyond Java
>>
>> http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/01/1455213
> 
> Wow.  The feedback to those D posts is.. erm.. brutal.

Not sure why that one post was modded to 5/funny, but the feedback I've seen appears to be mostly positive.  I'm ignoring the troll who mentioned Z-80 assembler because, well, he's a troll ;-)


Sean

In article <drr6qr$25q6$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Kyle Furlong says...
>
>pragma wrote:
>> In article <pan.2006.02.01.20.06.12.251531@sneakemail.com>, =?iso-8859-1?q?Knud_S=F8rensen?= says...
>>> Slashdot have just posted a story called beyond Java
>>>
>>> http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/01/1455213
>> 
>> Wow.  The feedback to those D posts is.. erm.. brutal.
>> 
>> Gotta love Slashdot.
>> 
>> - Eric Anderton at yahoo
>
>The question for us is, what "killer app" are we going to produce as a community.

A no-frills yet fast and light browser to start with. Worked for Java (even w/o the fast and light parts).

Here are the specs:

- Firefox functionality w/o anything not essential for displaying pages
containing HTML, standard image formats and JavaScript.
- Name it hotDamn, Dowser or (time for a name contest?) <g>

Perhaps DWT could be used to encapsulate Harmonia (for the HTML, CSS and image rendering) and we already have a world-class ECMAScript engine for the JavaScript engine.

Jari-Matti Mäkelä wrote:
> pragma wrote:
>> In article <drr6qr$25q6$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Kyle Furlong says...
>>> pragma wrote:
>>>> In article <pan.2006.02.01.20.06.12.251531@sneakemail.com>,
>>>> =?iso-8859-1?q?Knud_S=F8rensen?= says...
>>>>> Slashdot have just posted a story called beyond Java
>>>>>
>>>>> http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/01/1455213
>>>> Wow.  The feedback to those D posts is.. erm.. brutal.
>>>>
>>>> Gotta love Slashdot.
>>>>
>>>> - Eric Anderton at yahoo
>>> The question for us is, what "killer app" are we going to produce as a community.
>> Good question.  For starters, such an app would have to be a non-toolchain kind
>> of program; this would place it one tier above where most of us are
>> concentrating right now.
>>
>> D's advantage over its competitors, in the hands of the end user, is in terms of
>> program quality, size and speed.  I think this is a viable niche for a D "killer
>> app" that could attract people to the technology.
> 
> I think a real "killer app" would be a next generation desktop
> environment (e.g. D port of KDE using interpreted scripting languages
> and XML), but it would need to be written from scratch using D.
> 
> The main advantages are that
>  - D is more powerful than current functional languages
>  - D is more reliable (=bug-free) than C/C++
>  - D doesn't run under a virtual machine
>  - it's easy to integrate garbage collecting scripting languages inside D
> 
> Another great project would be a D operating system, but it's far too
> big a project for this community and eventually would not be able to
> produce enough hype around D.
> 
> 

What approximate LOC could be expected in a Firefox-like app?

pragma wrote:
> In article <drr6qr$25q6$1@digitaldaemon.com>, Kyle Furlong says...
>> pragma wrote:
>>> In article <pan.2006.02.01.20.06.12.251531@sneakemail.com>,
>>> =?iso-8859-1?q?Knud_S=F8rensen?= says...
>>>> Slashdot have just posted a story called beyond Java
>>>>
>>>> http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/01/1455213
>>> Wow.  The feedback to those D posts is.. erm.. brutal.
>>>
>>> Gotta love Slashdot.
>>>
>>> - Eric Anderton at yahoo
>> The question for us is, what "killer app" are we going to produce as a community.
> 
> Good question.  For starters, such an app would have to be a non-toolchain kind
> of program; this would place it one tier above where most of us are
> concentrating right now.
> 
> D's advantage over its competitors, in the hands of the end user, is in terms of
> program quality, size and speed.  I think this is a viable niche for a D "killer
> app" that could attract people to the technology.
> 
> I read something on digg the other day about "microtorrent" which was warmly
> received even though it had pretty much the same feature set its competition.  I
> distinguished itself by being more responsive, smaller and faster than just
> about every other torrent tracker out there.  I'd like to think that particular
> software author managed to tap into something that users actually want.
> 
> 
> An idle thought: has anyone around here given any thought to an automated bug
> reporting service for D apps?  Maybe we can set up something that plugs into
> dsource.org's Trac system?
> 
> - Eric Anderton at yahoo

What about a killer web stack? Arent Mango and DSP half the way there already? Wouldnt Kris's http server beat out a java one in terms of speed and memory footprint?