On 5/16/2022 1:29 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> This is not really a big problem. Just search for `dlang` instead of `D`
> and you get good results.

Or 'D Programming'. When I search for C stuff, I use 'C Programming'. Both work well.

On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 00:50:53 UTC, max haughton wrote:
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> ...
>
> https://github.com/rust-lang/rust-bindgen
>
> It's not built in to the compiler but it's officially supported by the Rust foundation.

in the hands of advanced Rustcracians who come from a C background, I don't feel too uncomfortable with this.

in the same way I don't feel uncomfortable about Walter using ImportC (given his extensive expertise in C and D).

but making it easily available for the mass of beginners out there (and even the mass of intermediates), worries me. C is profoundly unsafe.

I'd rather they were focused on safer programming practices ;-)

Of course, the C ABI is so simple, it's always going to be temptation to interact with it. Couple that with all the C code out there, the tempation is very high indeed.

How on earth are we ever going to move the world of software away from C?

The answer is ( I suspect) - when mass societal consequences occur (e.g. a cyber war outbreak or some really widespread consequential disaster - and we end finding out, they targeted all our C platforms.

Only then will we have sufficient impetus to get off our butts and do something about our extensive reliance on what is arguably, the most unsafe language of all -> C.

On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 01:57:44 UTC, forkit wrote:
> How on earth are we ever going to move the world of software away from C?
>
> The answer is ( I suspect) - when mass societal consequences occur (e.g. a cyber war outbreak or some really widespread consequential disaster - and we end finding out, they targeted all our C platforms.
>
> Only then will we have sufficient impetus to get off our butts and do something about our extensive reliance on what is arguably, the most unsafe language of all -> C.

Too much "we," not enough "I."

On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 01:57:44 UTC, forkit wrote:
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'here be dragons' -> case in point..

"are you sure that's right?"

https://youtu.be/1H9FHhRntAk?t=199

On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 02:05:54 UTC, StarCanopy wrote:
> On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 01:57:44 UTC, forkit wrote:
>> How on earth are we ever going to move the world of software away from C?
>>
>> The answer is ( I suspect) - when mass societal consequences occur (e.g. a cyber war outbreak or some really widespread consequential disaster - and we end finding out, they targeted all our C platforms.
>>
>> Only then will we have sufficient impetus to get off our butts and do something about our extensive reliance on what is arguably, the most unsafe language of all -> C.
>
> Too much "we," not enough "I."

But I cannot do it ;-)

It *must* be 'we'.

(same with global warming I guess).

having said that, the first line I write in a D module, is -> @safe:

how many others can say the same?

On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 02:43:31 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
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> People who care a lot about correctness now use Rust, compilers for such languages are implemented in Rust. In that narrow space Rust cannot be displaced in the next 10 years.
>

yes. I have to agree here. Rust is really the only contender at the moment.

D's 'incrementing C by 1', was never going to be enough :-(

But D4.. or .. D10... could be different.

But I doubt it will be.

In the meantime, pls everyone, write @safe: at the beggining of your module, and then you'll have no choice, but to explicately choose unsafe mode 'manually'

(as opposed to an unsafe environment being presented to you, by default).

If you can't choose to be safe, at least choose to be unsafe ;-)