John Reimer wrote:

> If you had access to an intel machine (not a mac), you could just get the vmplayer and try it yourself, no?

Thanks for this suggestion! This "VMWare Player" is really nice with
premade images, might even consider getting VMWare Workstation now...
(still using Virtual PC, I'm afraid, which didn't want to run Darwin)

However, new Darwin 8 is *much* less polished than what Darwin 7 was.
This is probably because OpenDarwin has run into some "troubles"...
(see the recent story http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200602/apple.html)


I'm just going to quote some starter commands here, rest is off-topic:
ifconfig en1 192.168.13.100
route add default 192.168.13.2
echo 'nameserver 192.168.13.2' > /etc/resolv.conf

So I see why you had problems with it, I can't even get DNS to work!
(above *should* do the trick, but only works with dig - not curl ?)
But playing with the /etc/hosts file, I at least got DarwinPorts up.


DarwinPorts is at http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/, it has X11:
http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/downloads/DarwinPorts-1.2.tar.gz
port -d selfupdate && port install xorg

Setting up the rest of Darwin/X86 is not really interesting here,
so I will just post later on if I get GDC 0.17 tried out on it...
But it won't really be useful for any Mac OS X testing, it seems.

--anders

Anders F Björklund wrote:
> John Reimer wrote:
> 
>> If you had access to an intel machine (not a mac), you could just get the vmplayer and try it yourself, no?
> 
> Thanks for this suggestion! This "VMWare Player" is really nice with
> premade images, might even consider getting VMWare Workstation now...
> (still using Virtual PC, I'm afraid, which didn't want to run Darwin)
> 


It is a great tool.  I purchased VMWare Workstation a year or two ago and have not regretted the purchase.  You can even boot OS's off a real drive from inside a virtual machine.  I love the USB support too. Inside Linux, if you plug a USB drive into a USB port while the vm is in focus, that drive gets automatically detected and mounted within the VM client.


> However, new Darwin 8 is *much* less polished than what Darwin 7 was.
> This is probably because OpenDarwin has run into some "troubles"...
> (see the recent story http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200602/apple.html)
> 


8 is much less polished?  Wow, that's strange. I'll have to read the story behind that.  Thanks for the link.


> I'm just going to quote some starter commands here, rest is off-topic:
> ifconfig en1 192.168.13.100
> route add default 192.168.13.2
> echo 'nameserver 192.168.13.2' > /etc/resolv.conf
> 
> So I see why you had problems with it, I can't even get DNS to work!
> (above *should* do the trick, but only works with dig - not curl ?)
> But playing with the /etc/hosts file, I at least got DarwinPorts up.
> 
> 


Well, I hadn't much of a clue how to set these things up.  I know very little of Darwin and the BSD's (although I've played a little with FreeBSD in the past).  I imagine there are wikis or tutorials online somewhere for setting things up, but it doesn't look at all easy.


> DarwinPorts is at http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/, it has X11:
> http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/downloads/DarwinPorts-1.2.tar.gz
> port -d selfupdate && port install xorg


Hmm... Interesting.  Good to know. I may actually try this eventually. Thank you.


> Setting up the rest of Darwin/X86 is not really interesting here,
> so I will just post later on if I get GDC 0.17 tried out on it...
> But it won't really be useful for any Mac OS X testing, it seems.
> 
> --anders


Yes, please tell me if you are successful.

-JJR

John Reimer wrote:

>> However, new Darwin 8 is *much* less polished than what Darwin 7 was.
>> This is probably because OpenDarwin has run into some "troubles"...
>> (see the recent story http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200602/apple.html)
> 
> 8 is much less polished?  Wow, that's strange. I'll have to read the story behind that.  Thanks for the link.

Well, I should clearify that...

Darwin 8.0.1 is about as polished as Darwin 7.0.1 was. (i.e. not at all)
These are Apple releases, and their efforts go into Mac OS X instead...

http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/

The difference lies in how much support can be found in the OpenDarwin
project, and they are currently offering OpenDarwin 7.2.1 (but not 8.x)

http://www.opendarwin.org/

And some of the reasons for *that*, can be found in the story above and
at the personal pages of Rob Braun: http://www.opendarwin.org/~bbraun/

--anders

BTW;
I find Mac OS X 10.3 better than Mac OS X 10.4 too, but that's just me.

John Reimer wrote:

>> DarwinPorts is at http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/, it has X11:
>> http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/downloads/DarwinPorts-1.2.tar.gz
>> port -d selfupdate && port install xorg
> 
> Hmm... Interesting.  Good to know. I may actually try this eventually. Thank you.

The xorg port did compile, but did not bring an X server... <duh>
But the XFree86 version ("port install XFree86"), from XDarwin did:

http://www.algonet.se/~afb/darwin/darwin8-xfree86.png

Two minor "gotchas" were: /usr/X11R6/bin was not in the PATH and the
need to add http://xdarwin.org/USA.keymapping to /Library/Keyboards/

--anders

Anders F Björklund wrote:
> John Reimer wrote:
> 
>>> DarwinPorts is at http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/, it has X11:
>>> http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/downloads/DarwinPorts-1.2.tar.gz
>>> port -d selfupdate && port install xorg
>>
>> Hmm... Interesting.  Good to know. I may actually try this eventually. Thank you.
> 
> The xorg port did compile, but did not bring an X server... <duh>
> But the XFree86 version ("port install XFree86"), from XDarwin did:
> 
> http://www.algonet.se/~afb/darwin/darwin8-xfree86.png
> 
> Two minor "gotchas" were: /usr/X11R6/bin was not in the PATH and the
> need to add http://xdarwin.org/USA.keymapping to /Library/Keyboards/
> 
> --anders

Wow!  Nice!

-JJR

John Reimer wrote:

>> Setting up the rest of Darwin/X86 is not really interesting here,
>> so I will just post later on if I get GDC 0.17 tried out on it...
>> But it won't really be useful for any Mac OS X testing, it seems.
> 
> Yes, please tell me if you are successful.

Well, the bad news is that GCC and Libm are broken "out-of-the-box"
(too old: GCC 4.0.0 and Libm-92), so GDC won't compile/work as it is.

All version details at http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/

Mac OS X 10.4.4+ works, but for Darwin 8.0.1 you need to upgrade the
packages using the source code tarballs, which is something of a drag.


The good news is that they just released: http://www.apple.com/macmini
(and that GDC works OK on Darwin 8 ppc, and will on x86 after fixing...)

--anders

PS. That was GDC. No DMD news, I take it ?

Anders F Björklund wrote:
> John Reimer wrote:
> 
>>> Setting up the rest of Darwin/X86 is not really interesting here,
>>> so I will just post later on if I get GDC 0.17 tried out on it...
>>> But it won't really be useful for any Mac OS X testing, it seems.
>>
>> Yes, please tell me if you are successful.
> 
> Well, the bad news is that GCC and Libm are broken "out-of-the-box"
> (too old: GCC 4.0.0 and Libm-92), so GDC won't compile/work as it is.
> 
> All version details at http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/
> 
> Mac OS X 10.4.4+ works, but for Darwin 8.0.1 you need to upgrade the
> packages using the source code tarballs, which is something of a drag.
> 


Major drag!!


> The good news is that they just released: http://www.apple.com/macmini
> (and that GDC works OK on Darwin 8 ppc, and will on x86 after fixing...)
> 
> --anders
> 
> PS. That was GDC. No DMD news, I take it ?


Ohhh!! Drool... I've been waiting for something like that x86 bases mac mini.

-JJR

John Reimer wrote:

>> Mac OS X 10.4.4+ works, but for Darwin 8.0.1 you need to upgrade the
>> packages using the source code tarballs, which is something of a drag.
> 
> Major drag!!

It can be done, using http://opendarwin.org/projects/darwinbuild/
(DarwinBuild to build the system, while DarwinPorts is for add-ons)

Just is somewhat off-topic here... Rest of GDC news went in D.gnu.

--anders