On Tuesday, 24 October 2017 at 21:11:38 UTC, solidstate1991 wrote:
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> DIP45 has the solution (make export an attribute), it needs to be updated for the new DIP format from what I heard. It needs to be pushed, as Windows still the most popular OS on the consumer side of things, then we can have Phobos and DRuntime as DLLs without using experimental versions of DMD. I have some plans with the better DLL support, such as the possibility of a D based Python (for better class interoperability with D), or even using a modified set of D for scripting (eg. SafeD only).

Unfortunately I currenlty don't have a lot of spare time to spend on open source projets. I will however have some more time in December. My current plan is to revive DIP 45 and my dll implementation and give it some finishing touches as discussed with Walter at DConf 2017.

On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 18:52:06 UTC, Joakim wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 10:21:22 UTC, Patrick Schluter wrote:
>> To conclude: if D wants to cater to that crowd, it will have to bite the bullet and make the Windows experience even smoother than it is now. You won't overcome Windows dev's Stockholm syndrome otherwise and Windows devs, should also peg down a little bit and learn that MS's way of doing things is far from being ideal (bloat, loss of control, changing specs every 3 years, programmed obsolescence (Active-X anyone?)).
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> Or better yet, don't bother with a dying platform full of whiny devs who are helpless without an IDE.  One of D's strengths is that it isn't architected for IDE-driven development and the oft-resulting verbosity, that's a market D should probably just leave alone.  Instead, focus on the current major platform which lets you use almost any toolchain you want:
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> http://forum.dlang.org/thread/xgiwhblmkvcgnsktjnoo@forum.dlang.org
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> Of course, it is admirable what Rainer and others do to maintain VisualD and other D tools for the Windows platform.  I just don't see it mattering much in the next decade.

What makes you think that windows is a "dying platform"!? There is no evidence to suggest this.

On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 20:58:45 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 18:52:06 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>> [...]
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> What makes you think that windows is a "dying platform"!? There is no evidence to suggest this.

Take a look at the links in the thread I linked you, which show PC sales dropping for the last six years and back at the level of a decade ago.

On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 21:21:58 UTC, Joakim wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 20:58:45 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:
>> On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 18:52:06 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>>> [...]
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>> What makes you think that windows is a "dying platform"!? There is no evidence to suggest this.
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> Take a look at the links in the thread I linked you, which show PC sales dropping for the last six years and back at the level of a decade ago.

Mobile market != Desktop market. Windows still have the majority of the Desktop market.

https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 21:30:06 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 21:21:58 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>> On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 20:58:45 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 18:52:06 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>
>>> What makes you think that windows is a "dying platform"!? There is no evidence to suggest this.
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>> Take a look at the links in the thread I linked you, which show PC sales dropping for the last six years and back at the level of a decade ago.
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> Mobile market != Desktop market. Windows still have the majority of the Desktop market.
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> https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

Sure, but most people compute and run apps on mobiles.  As I pointed out there, mobiles are coming after the desktop and laptop markets, and will likely kill off Wintel in the coming years.

On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 21:36:50 UTC, Joakim wrote:

> pointed out there, mobiles are coming after the desktop and laptop markets, and will likely kill off Wintel in the coming years.

No, they are not "coming after the desktop and markets", that's a ridiculous claim to make. You know why, because I hear the same claim being made back 5-7 years ago. People are not going to use mobile for typing up their MS word documents.

On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 21:59:36 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 21:36:50 UTC, Joakim wrote:
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>> pointed out there, mobiles are coming after the desktop and laptop markets, and will likely kill off Wintel in the coming years.
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> No, they are not "coming after the desktop and markets", that's a ridiculous claim to make. You know why, because I hear the same claim being made back 5-7 years ago. People are not going to use mobile for typing up their MS word documents.

Claims that were made 5-7 years ago can often come true later, :) and I already showed you that Samsung is pursuing it.  Nobody will type up MS Word docs on their mobile alone, but they can do it with a Galaxy S8 in a Dex dock now, and soon won't be using Word or Office altogether.  If you don't believe me, I suggest you read up on some computing history, start with WordStar:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordStar

On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:22:23 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>I suggest you read up on some computing history, start with
> WordStar:
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> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordStar

I fail to see how Wordstar is relevant. Regardless people are not going to use mobile in the work place. You crusade against windows OS support is pointless.

On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:29:01 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:22:23 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>>I suggest you read up on some computing history, start with
>> WordStar:
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>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordStar
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> I fail to see how Wordstar is relevant.

Perhaps that's why you're missing every other thing I'm pointing out too.

> Regardless people are 0not going to use mobile in the work place.

If that's so, I suspect the "work place" will become irrelevant.

> You crusade against windows OS support is pointless.

I don't crusade against anything.  I simply point out that wasting time on a dying platform is not the best use of D tool devs' time.  They're then free to do whatever they want with that info.

On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:36:04 UTC, Joakim wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:29:01 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:
>> On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:22:23 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>>>I suggest you read up on some computing history, start with
>>> WordStar:
>>>
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordStar
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>> I fail to see how Wordstar is relevant.
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> Perhaps that's why you're missing every other thing I'm pointing out too.
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The fact that is currently abandon and there isn't anything mobile related in the article that I just scan read? Yea, you need to improve on explaining things.

>> Regardless people are 0not going to use mobile in the work place.
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> If that's so, I suspect the "work place" will become irrelevant.
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LOL Ok, now I know you talking nonsense.
>> You crusade against windows OS support is pointless.
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> I don't crusade against anything.  I simply point out that wasting time on a dying platform is not the best use of D tool devs' time.
Newsflash, it's not "dying". The mobile market is NOT going to single handily replace the laptop and desktop market.