Tom wrote:
> Georg Wrede escribió:
>> Tom wrote:
>>>
>>> Woah man, don't cry so loud about this. It's a curiosity, if you
>>> don't like it or whatever just don't quote against it. No one says it
>>> was gonna enhance your productivity. Be cool :)
>>
>> Estoy tranquilo. Escribió antes de leyer las explicationes a la derecha de la página.
> 
> You mean: "Estoy tranquilo. Escribí antes de leer las explicaciones a la derecha de la página." :) Hey, I like your spanish intention, you've just enhanced my mood for the rest of the night (really)!

I actually thought there'd be more mistakes. :-)

> I know that you had rush your answer, it's just you always write with such an anger against what you don't like, let it go man... You make me remember myself ;) (at least I'm not alone in my intolerant world :P).

I remember some 5 years ago, when I came to the D newsgroups, one of my first posts was like "for the record, I tend to come out stronger than needed" or something like it. Ideally I'd like my opinion pieces to be informative, to the point, clear and persuasive. But still entertaining to read.

Tom wrote:
> Has anyone seen this?
> 
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-199899523054020719&q=linux

Bound to get people playing around when they should be working!

It took me a moment to figure out the shape of the desktop.  Then I realised it's a cube that's been squashed after rendering to fit on a 4x3 screen.

I wonder what programming for that system would be like!

Stewart.

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Georg Wrede wrote:
> But, it's cool, sure. Still, I wonder if anybody over 30 finds it useful at work.

I doubt it (I'm well over 30 <g>). What's a real productivity booster for me is bigger screens, more pixels. Sharper fonts are better, too.

I couldn't care less about special effects on the UI.

If Microsoft wants my Vista $$, the feature I want is to not be able to surreptitiously install a rootkit. Oh, and a way to reinstall the operating system (when it does get rootkitted anyway) without reinstalling all my apps.

Because of the rootkit problem, I've resigned myself to not only do regular backups, but regular reinstalls of Windows, whether or not there are any symptoms of a rootkit.

Walter Bright napisał(a):
 > Because of the rootkit problem, I've resigned myself to not only do
> regular backups, but regular reinstalls of Windows, whether or not there are any symptoms of a rootkit.

I just upgraded to Ubuntu Dapper Drake, even without backuping my data (not very reasonable, I know :-)). It's about third time when I upgrade my Ubuntu with almost every single file in the system (kernel, basic system libraries, startup scripts) and it just works without any major problems.

Isn't it amazing? :-)

Regards
Marcin Kuszczak

Walter Bright wrote:
> Georg Wrede wrote:
>> But, it's cool, sure. Still, I wonder if anybody over 30 finds it useful at work.
> 
> I doubt it (I'm well over 30 <g>). What's a real productivity booster for me is bigger screens, more pixels. Sharper fonts are better, too.
> 
> I couldn't care less about special effects on the UI.

Same here.  In fact, they tend to slow me down, as animations take time to execute, consume resources, etc.  That said, OSX has some fairly neat window management and layout features where you can "zoom out" on your desktop and then "zoom in" in different ways.  I also love OpenGL in a window.  But the rest I disable or ignore.

> If Microsoft wants my Vista $$, the feature I want is to not be able to surreptitiously install a rootkit. Oh, and a way to reinstall the operating system (when it does get rootkitted anyway) without reinstalling all my apps.
> 
> Because of the rootkit problem, I've resigned myself to not only do regular backups, but regular reinstalls of Windows, whether or not there are any symptoms of a rootkit.

It's a good idea.  I only wish it were easier to do so.  As it is, a reinstall would take me a full day to complete, and I'd still lose some application preferences I'd have to re-enter manually (Visual Studio settings, for example).

I'm beginning to think that XP will be my last Windows OS.  There's little in Vista that interests me, and the massive resource requirement and DRM features are a substantial disincentive to upgrade.  About the only reason I would do so is, once again, if there are games I'd like to play that require it.  And if that comes to pass it will be on a PC or partition dedicated to gaming.


Sean

Aarti wrote:
> 
> I just upgraded to Ubuntu Dapper Drake, even without backuping my data (not very reasonable, I know :-)). It's about third time when I upgrade my Ubuntu with almost every single file in the system (kernel, basic system libraries, startup scripts) and it just works without any major problems.

I installed Linux recently and was amazed at how easy it has become in the 12 or so years since I last installed it.  It was actually easier to install than Windows, and the application install/upgrade tools are a sight better than Windows as well (though they don't seem to indicated *where* they've installed something, which is a tad confusing when I'm installing kernel headers and such).  I tried Ubuntu and Fedora recently, and found Ubuntu to be the easier of the two to install, but as it's a single CD install it lacks the "out of the box" functionality available in the fixe CD (or one DVD) Fedora.  Still, that simply means I choose a bunch of stuff from the install/upgrade tool, which takes all of ten minutes and guarantees I'm not getting extra stuff I don't want.  Linux is getting darn close to being a viable primary OS IMO. Particularly with VM software for running the few Windows apps I still need (WINE being an alternative in some cases).


Sean

Sean Kelly wrote:
> Walter Bright wrote:
>> Georg Wrede wrote:
>>> But, it's cool, sure. Still, I wonder if anybody over 30 finds it useful at work.
>>
>> I doubt it (I'm well over 30 <g>). What's a real productivity booster for me is bigger screens, more pixels. Sharper fonts are better, too.
>>
>> I couldn't care less about special effects on the UI.
> 
> Same here.  In fact, they tend to slow me down, as animations take time to execute, consume resources, etc.  That said, OSX has some fairly neat window management and layout features where you can "zoom out" on your desktop and then "zoom in" in different ways.  I also love OpenGL in a window.  But the rest I disable or ignore.
> 
>> If Microsoft wants my Vista $$, the feature I want is to not be able to surreptitiously install a rootkit. Oh, and a way to reinstall the operating system (when it does get rootkitted anyway) without reinstalling all my apps.
>>
>> Because of the rootkit problem, I've resigned myself to not only do regular backups, but regular reinstalls of Windows, whether or not there are any symptoms of a rootkit.
> 
> It's a good idea.  I only wish it were easier to do so.  As it is, a reinstall would take me a full day to complete, and I'd still lose some application preferences I'd have to re-enter manually (Visual Studio settings, for example).
> 
> I'm beginning to think that XP will be my last Windows OS.  There's little in Vista that interests me, and the massive resource requirement and DRM features are a substantial disincentive to upgrade.

Me too.

 About the
> only reason I would do so is, once again, if there are games I'd like to play that require it.  And if that comes to pass it will be on a PC or partition dedicated to gaming.

I think that the games market is tremendously important to Microsoft's market share. If it were to lose that, it would be game over. Seriously.
(Maybe Vista is trying to tie into that ?)
> 
> 
> Sean

Walter Bright wrote:
> Georg Wrede wrote:
> 
>> But, it's cool, sure. Still, I wonder if anybody over 30 finds it useful at work.
> 
> I doubt it (I'm well over 30 <g>). What's a real productivity booster for me is bigger screens, more pixels. Sharper fonts are better, too.
> 
> I couldn't care less about special effects on the UI.
> 
> If Microsoft wants my Vista $$, the feature I want is to not be able to surreptitiously install a rootkit. Oh, and a way to reinstall the operating system (when it does get rootkitted anyway) without reinstalling all my apps.
> 
> Because of the rootkit problem, I've resigned myself to not only do regular backups, but regular reinstalls of Windows, whether or not there are any symptoms of a rootkit.

Maybe reinstalls and backups aren't included when Microsoft pays consultancies to do Linux/Windows TCO comparisons?

:-)

Don Clugston wrote:
> 
> I think that the games market is tremendously important to Microsoft's market share. If it were to lose that, it would be game over. Seriously.

This might be something for Apple. They've got a lot of good press and goodwill lately: iPods, Intel-Macs, etc. And they have a user base where folks are used to paying (overprice) for everything. Since they control both the hardware and the OS, there's never a problem with drivers or compatibility.

Imagine buying the newest computer game -- and just _knowing_ it _works_!  NO hassle.

I'd pay extra just for the peace of mind.

Sean Kelly wrote:
> I'm beginning to think that XP will be my last Windows OS.  There's little in Vista that interests me, and the massive resource requirement and DRM features are a substantial disincentive to upgrade.  About the only reason I would do so is, once again, if there are games I'd like to play that require it.  And if that comes to pass it will be on a PC or partition dedicated to gaming.

PC games are among the worst culprits for surreptitiously installing rootkits, DRM's that screw up your device drivers, etc. I won't install them anymore. You can get a game console for $150 that will run the best games, and there's no install or compatibility problem. Just pop in the CD and go.