Philip Van Hoof wrote:

> I have both the space and bandwidth for hosting such packages. I can
> also setup a virtual computer (Xen 3.0) for it. Please let me know if
> you need hosting assistance. As I like the D programming language, I'm
> not even planning to ask money for this service. But it would be nice to
> know the space requirements (as our disks aren't extremely large).

Some ballpark figures:
GDC binary  - 5 MB
source code - 15 MB
GCC/G++/GDC - 30 MB

But it depends on how many variations we want to be hosting ?
For the Mac I am currently hosting three PPC variants, and one
"Universal" X86/PPC build (that is 3 times the size of the others,
since it targets all of two runtime arches and two target arches)

I'm also hosting the installer packages (PKG for the Mac, RPM, EXE)
as well as plain ZIP files for people who distrust the installers...
Another factor is how many versions back/forward we're planning on ?
And coupled with the number of Linux distros, it quickly adds up :-)

All the Mac files are at: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gdcmac/


> They are reusable for Ubuntu, indeed. But for example Dapper is already
> using gcc 4.1.x as default compiler, which afaik doesn't work with gdc
> at this moment. Same for Fedora Core 5.

That is indeed a problem. Maybe a standalone version is required there ?

--anders

On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 11:58 +0200, Anders F Björklund wrote:
> Philip Van Hoof wrote:

> But it depends on how many variations we want to be hosting ?
> For the Mac I am currently hosting three PPC variants, and one
> "Universal" X86/PPC build (that is 3 times the size of the others,
> since it targets all of two runtime arches and two target arches)
> 
> I'm also hosting the installer packages (PKG for the Mac, RPM, EXE) as well as plain ZIP files for people who distrust the installers... Another factor is how many versions back/forward we're planning on ? And coupled with the number of Linux distros,  it quickly adds up :-)

Well, if the total repository gets to big I would have to buy an extra harddisk which would also consume a slot in our 1u hardware. So in that case it's not possible for me to keep such a service free.

Also note that our disk setup is a RAID 1 so each megabytes counts for two in harddisk price ;-). Another problem is that our hardware has two SATA controllers of which only one is supported in the Xen 3.0 host kernel. That one is of course occupied. So we'd have to migrate to a newer kernel. This is something I'd rather avoid doing :-). But we have another server (that doesn't have virtualization possibilities) where we could host a normal Apache2 website. This device has a more easy hardware setup.

So, basically ... a few 100 megabytes isn't a big problem. When talking about a few gigabytes it becomes a problem.

Our bandwidth should be good. You can test it by downloading that tar.gz of 30 MB ;-). My own web domain is hosted by one such virtual machine.

> All the Mac files are at: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gdcmac/

> > They are reusable for Ubuntu, indeed. But for example Dapper is already using gcc 4.1.x as default compiler, which afaik doesn't work with gdc at this moment. Same for Fedora Core 5.
> 
> That is indeed a problem. Maybe a standalone version is required there ?

You can of course install multiple compilers on distributions like Dapper and Fedora Core 5. A gdc package could integrate with a specific gcc version, and could depend on that gcc version.

Anders F Björklund wrote:
> Philip Van Hoof wrote:
> 
>> I have both the space and bandwidth for hosting such packages. I can
>> also setup a virtual computer (Xen 3.0) for it. Please let me know if
>> you need hosting assistance. As I like the D programming language, I'm
>> not even planning to ask money for this service. But it would be nice to
>> know the space requirements (as our disks aren't extremely large).
> 
> 
> Some ballpark figures:
> GDC binary  - 5 MB
> source code - 15 MB
> GCC/G++/GDC - 30 MB
> 
> But it depends on how many variations we want to be hosting ?
> For the Mac I am currently hosting three PPC variants, and one
> "Universal" X86/PPC build (that is 3 times the size of the others,
> since it targets all of two runtime arches and two target arches)

How about just hosting the binaries? It many not be ideal, but certainly very useful all the same ...

2 cents

kris wrote:

>> But it depends on how many variations we want to be hosting ?
>> For the Mac I am currently hosting three PPC variants, and one
>> "Universal" X86/PPC build (that is 3 times the size of the others,
>> since it targets all of two runtime arches and two target arches)
> 
> How about just hosting the binaries? It many not be ideal, but certainly very useful all the same ...

You mean just the GDC binaries ? (i.e. "cc1d" and "libphobos.a", etc)

Sure, that is the preferred variant if the system GCC wants to be nice.
(i.e. if it is of a version that works with the GDC patches and Phobos)

But it still needs one version for each distro that we want to support ?


Unless we can make that "universal" idea fly, and make one distribution
of all the GNU tools - that will work on most of the Linux X86 distros ?

Of course, the downside then would be that it probably wouldn't work
with the rest of the system libraries. But that's another issue... :-)

--anders