On Wednesday, 19 March 2025 at 13:55:57 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
> How helpful has that been regarding adoption, versus the other ecosystems that do draw the line?

Better than Idris?

Language adoption is driven by libraries not how authoritarian it is.

Besides there are two tier of language newly created: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ3w_jec1v8

It is harder for the grassroot languages that don't come from big businesses, to the exception of Python.

On Wednesday, 19 March 2025 at 13:58:30 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote:
> On Wednesday, 19 March 2025 at 13:55:57 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
>> How helpful has that been regarding adoption, versus the other ecosystems that do draw the line?
>
> Better than Idris?
>
> Language adoption is driven by libraries not how authoritarian it is.
>
> Besides there are two tier of language newly created: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ3w_jec1v8
>
> It is harder for the grassroot languages that don't come from big businesses, to the exception of Python.

Besides cherry picking, I would assert Idris might have more users, even if it is an academic language.

As for libraries, exactly because those languages draw the line, it is possible to have a library ecosystem, instead of writing libraries that can only be used by the GC camp, the GC but please in RC form camp, the we only do malloc/free came, the @nogc camp,...

Instead a library, regardless how it is written, works for everyone.

On Tuesday, 18 March 2025 at 20:00:01 UTC, Maximilian Naderer wrote:
> ...

I wonder if downloads or site in general had any increase in views after that video.

By the way Mike Parker after Adam D. Ruppe interview, you should try this guy because it could help to bring more views to the community.

Remember Scott Meyers? Maybe invite him to the DConf?

Matheus.

On Thursday, 20 March 2025 at 00:44:31 UTC, matheus wrote:
> On Tuesday, 18 March 2025 at 20:00:01 UTC, Maximilian Naderer wrote:
>> ...
>
> I wonder if downloads or site in general had any increase in views after that video.

I’m not sure it will have such strong effect

> By the way Mike Parker after Adam D. Ruppe interview, you should try this guy because it could help to bring more views to the community.

He is not a D dev :) he just used D for a stream

> Remember Scott Meyers? Maybe invite him to the DConf?

C# author will be more interesting but Tsoding at a conference will be epic!! xD

On Wednesday, 19 March 2025 at 13:18:57 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote:
> On Wednesday, 19 March 2025 at 12:56:04 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
>> What D has missed versus those other ecosystems, is drawing the line that if that isn't what someone is looking for in a language, they can gladly look elsewhere, thus the schizophrenic outcome.
>
> Disagree, D is the a language that "doesn't get in the way" precisely because it gives a lot of choice to users.
>
> Tsoding being able to work roughly like he's accustomed in C with a lot of familiarity, implementing his favourite pattern then modifying the compiler in less than 2 hours, is precisely because D isn't very prescriptive.
>
> Yes there are two ways to do a lot of things (polymorphism, errors, aggregates, memory management) but this is precisely the point no?

this, D is a pragmatic language, GC was the reason i tried the language, and -betterC was the reason i never needed to look elsewhere

and now it also can compile C code.. who would have thought you could do so much when your focus is pragmatism

this combo is a competitive advantage many language just doesn't have, on top of compiling code VERY FAST

want to support WASM before everyone elses ready? you can do that too

the answer to "adoption" is marketing, nothing else

hey look, pragmatism is a good marketing opportunity

he said it in the video:

in D you can enable borrow checking when needed, it's better than Rust because it lets you experiment with your ideas first in the same language, Rust people experiment first with Python, then do the implementation in Rust, a waste of time

pragmatism is the key in a world dominated by bloatware

On 25/03/2025 12:08 AM, Martyn wrote:
> Point is, he is going through the emotions of someone looking into a language that povides his needs. If he did not find out about BetterC, he might not have given Dlang the time of day -- and no stream.
> 
> You have to ask yourself WHY he came to D in the first place. He is not coming from a Java or C# background. While he has looked into GC languages like Go, he is also comftable with non-GC langauges as well Rust, Go, Zig, Jai, etc.
> 
> Point is - he returned to Dlang becauase D provides OPTIONS to the programmer. D works for programmers like Tsoding who comes from that C\C++ branch.

How I would describe D is it scales.

If you wanna run D on a dreamcast, good for you!

If you wanna write some basic utility program great!

Where D is failing to meet the full scale is places where D must improve.