Walter Bright wrote:
> Oskar Linde wrote:
>> The png should be unnecessary as everyone nowadays has svg support in their web browsers, right? ;)
> 
> Nope. The 16K is a little big, can you try it as a jpg?

Attached: 18-color quantized PNG. 4.8 kB. The transparency had to be dropped as semi-transparency isn't supported with a quantized palette. I tried JPEG, but the result was horrible.

/Oskar

== Quote from Walter Bright (newshound@digitalmars.com)'s article
> Tom wrote:
> > Another thing I would improve (as a kind of marketing strategy) is the aesthetics of digitalmars.com. It's very useful but very very very ugly (sorry, just my honest opinion). I see it in almost every thing that has a lot of success. Having nice images, with all kind of colors and stuff sells to the sight. People get attracted to lights and mirrors every time. I know that this isn't a trivial task, but it could certainly be done.
> Do you have a url of a programming site that looks good? (I mean, it's easier to talk about if given examples of "lights and mirrors" to compare.)

Obviously I've exaggerated a little :) about all the "lights and mirrors" stuff. I wasn't literally talking of course, was just saying.

But well, Bill gave us a nice example of (IMO) a nice looking web page:

http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/

Oskar Linde wrote:
> Walter Bright wrote:
> 
>> Bill Baxter wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a slightly touched up version of the happy D guy on overview.html.  Just a little bit-o-gradient to replace the 100% saturated red color.  I tried fixing the lack of antialiasing in the outline but couldn't find any combo of photoshop filters that actually made an improvement.
>>
>>
>> It does look a bit better, but it's 3x larger than the .gif file. I suppose there's no hope for that, though. The only way to fix the antialiasing problem is just to redraw it by tracing it.
> 
> 
> I just processed it though the Inkscape[1] auto tracer and did some manual cleanups. Some details were lost, but I didn't have time to spend more than 10 minutes on this. zlib-compressed the svg turned out to be less than 6 kb which is approximately 2x the original in size.
> 
> The png should be unnecessary as everyone nowadays has svg support in their web browsers, right? ;)
> 
> [1] http://www.inkscape.org
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------


Great.  Definitely an improvement.

Now let's have the discussion we should have been having :-) -- why is there a poorly drawn cartoon 'D' apparently cheering for himself on the overview page?  It makes no sense.  At best it looks like he's trying to say "I'm D and I think I'm awesome" like some hot shot 4 year old on a playground full of 3 year olds.

It's cute, but it would make much more sense on the "How To Promote D" page or a "D Success Stories" page than on the public introduction, which will be read by a bunch of people who are probably skeptical about D to begin with.

--bb

== Quote from Walter Bright (newshound@digitalmars.com)'s article
> Tom wrote:
> > I know that this isn't a trivial task, but it could certainly be done.
> Actually, in the last go-round on all this, the website is now driven by one style sheet and one big Ddoc template. So, within limits, it shouldn't be too hard to do major global changes.

I know about the stylesheet thing, I've been following D newsgroups now for quite some time :). You could improve a lot on the site as it is right now. The change could be done gradually.

If you allow me, I would like to help improving the "look and feel" of digitalmars
(changing the stylesheet, template, submitting some images, etc.). Give me some
time (which I have so little lately), and I'll post some real alternatives for you
(and the community) to throw your opinions.

I'm genuinely interested in the "world domination" of the D programming language =P, and I'm convinced that marketing is one of the most important things every product need to be known. If the product is good (and in this case, I think it's excellent), we can't fail.

Kind regards,
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:55:39 +0200, Walter Bright <newshound@digitalmars.com> wrote:

I have another tip, expecialy for derelict and ddbi. Submit your bindings on the libraries website.

http://www.libsdl.org/languages.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opengl#Bindings
http://sqlite.org/contrib
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQLite#Language_bindings
http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/connector/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MySQL#Programming_languages

and many others



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On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:28:54 +0200, Walter Bright <newshound@digitalmars.com> wrote:

> Oskar Linde wrote:
>> The png should be unnecessary as everyone nowadays has svg support in their web browsers, right? ;)
>
> Nope. The 16K is a little big, can you try it as a jpg?

Please don't use the D man as an official logo,
no offese, but it's childish
how do you promote D?! ... as a succesor of c/c++, is this cartoon a symbol
of "power", a symbol of "new" ...?! is it?
I'll make 100 logo sketches to chose from, just plase don't use the D man.

thank you

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== Quote from Bill Baxter (dnewsgroup@billbaxter.com)'s article
> Tom wrote:
> > Another thing I would improve (as a kind of marketing strategy) is the aesthetics of digitalmars.com. It's very useful but very very very ugly (sorry, just my honest opinion). I see it in almost every thing that has a lot of success.
> Or maybe its that projects that have lots of success decide it's worth the effort to improve their websites.  I don't think you can say there's any causal relationship between the website and the success of the programming language.  Python's old site was pretty ugly and amateurish for a good long time -- until well after Python was a success.

I can't say that that's *always* the case, but I can assure you that it helps _a lot_. I mean, don't you restrict just to programming languages, look around and you'll see companies spending a lot of cash in nice publicity, beautiful web pages, and not in vain! Is a fact that a good looking webpage (in this case) is better for marketing that a non-good-looking one, don't you think?.

> Having nice images, with all kind of colors and stuff
> > sells to the sight.
> Good web design != all kinds of colors and stuff :-)

Yeah right, please don't take it so literally :-)

> People get attracted to lights and mirrors every
> > time. I know that this isn't a trivial task, but it could certainly be done.
> I think the (newly redone) Python site is very professional looking:
> www.python.org
> Ruby's site looks good too:
> http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/
> PHP is ok, but a little cluttered looking:
> http://www.php.net/
> Nemerle is a wiki, but it looks pretty nice:
> http://nemerle.org/Main_Page

There you have some that are good examples of nice designs.

> [snip]
> That said I like the curent D site.

I couldn't disagree more, but what can we do? It's just a matter of taste after all.

Regards,
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== Quote from Tiberiu Gal (galtiberiu@gmail.com)'s article
> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:28:54 +0200, Walter Bright <newshound@digitalmars.com> wrote:
> > Oskar Linde wrote:
> >> The png should be unnecessary as everyone nowadays has svg support in their web browsers, right? ;)
> >
> > Nope. The 16K is a little big, can you try it as a jpg?
> Please don't use the D man as an official logo,
> no offese, but it's childish
> how do you promote D?! ... as a succesor of c/c++, is this cartoon a symbol
> of "power", a symbol of "new" ...?! is it?
> I'll make 100 logo sketches to chose from, just plase don't use the D man.
> thank you

I agree :), I don't say we shall kill D man (after all this time, I think I do already feel some affection for him), but there could be a more professional-looking main logo.

Regards,
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Tiberiu Gal escribió:
> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:28:54 +0200, Walter Bright <newshound@digitalmars.com> wrote:
> 
>> Oskar Linde wrote:
>>> The png should be unnecessary as everyone nowadays has svg support in their web browsers, right? ;)
>>
>> Nope. The 16K is a little big, can you try it as a jpg?
> 
> Please don't use the D man as an official logo

I like the D man. :-)

The first time I saw it, I thought: it's a poweful but humble language.

Just my opinion...

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 17:09:02 +0200, Ary Manzana <ary@esperanto.org.ar> wrote:

> Tiberiu Gal escribió:
>> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:28:54 +0200, Walter Bright <newshound@digitalmars.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Oskar Linde wrote:
>>>> The png should be unnecessary as everyone nowadays has svg support in their web browsers, right? ;)
>>>
>>> Nope. The 16K is a little big, can you try it as a jpg?
>>  Please don't use the D man as an official logo
>
> I like the D man. :-)
>
> The first time I saw it, I thought: it's a poweful but humble language.
>
> Just my opinion...

:)

D man is not powerfull nor humble, it's skiny and sad, my opinion
look at his eyes, he is looking down; his hands are in the air just like
he surrenders ...


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