hi all,

I am interesting in adopting D for some kind of system programming. I
have used the LLVM infrastructure and would like to play with D.

What puzzles me is the following line in the url
"http://www.digitalmars.com/d/":

Note: all D users agree that by downloading and using D, or reading the
D specs, they will explicitly identify any claims to intellectual
property rights with a copyright or patent notice in any posted or
emailed feedback sent to Digital Mars.

What does that mean?
If I would like to work with the D language what would that mean to me as a developer?

thanks
-- Jakob

Jakob Praher kirjoitti:
> hi all,
> 
> I am interesting in adopting D for some kind of system programming. I have used the LLVM infrastructure and would like to play with D.

Welcome aboard.

> What puzzles me is the following line in the url "http://www.digitalmars.com/d/":
> 
> Note: all D users agree that by downloading and using D, or reading the D specs, they will explicitly identify any claims to intellectual property rights with a copyright or patent notice in any posted or emailed feedback sent to Digital Mars.
> 
> What does that mean?
> If I would like to work with the D language what would that mean to me
> as a developer?

It means that if you send something (e.g. code) to these newsgroups or directly to DigitalMars / Walter, you should explicitly mention if those pieces of work are protected by copyright, patents or other "IP stuff".

Jakob Praher wrote:
> I am interesting in adopting D for some kind of system programming. I
> have used the LLVM infrastructure and would like to play with D.
> 
> What puzzles me is the following line in the url
> "http://www.digitalmars.com/d/":
> 
> Note: all D users agree that by downloading and using D, or reading the
> D specs, they will explicitly identify any claims to intellectual
> property rights with a copyright or patent notice in any posted or
> emailed feedback sent to Digital Mars.
> 
> What does that mean?
> If I would like to work with the D language what would that mean to me as a developer?

It means you must be upfront about any IP claims on ideas and code posted here or sent to Digital Mars. If you patented or will patent an idea submitted here, say so. If you wish to retain copyright, say so.

Walter Bright wrote:
> Jakob Praher wrote:
>> I am interesting in adopting D for some kind of system programming. I
>> have used the LLVM infrastructure and would like to play with D.
>>
>> What puzzles me is the following line in the url
>> "http://www.digitalmars.com/d/":
>>
>> Note: all D users agree that by downloading and using D, or reading the
>> D specs, they will explicitly identify any claims to intellectual
>> property rights with a copyright or patent notice in any posted or
>> emailed feedback sent to Digital Mars.
>>
>> What does that mean?
>> If I would like to work with the D language what would that mean to me as a developer?
> 
> It means you must be upfront about any IP claims on ideas and code posted here or sent to Digital Mars. If you patented or will patent an idea submitted here, say so. If you wish to retain copyright, say so.

err ... why couldn't the note on the website be a bit more clear?

Hasan Aljudy wrote:
> 
> 
> Walter Bright wrote:
>> Jakob Praher wrote:
>>> I am interesting in adopting D for some kind of system programming. I
>>> have used the LLVM infrastructure and would like to play with D.
>>>
>>> What puzzles me is the following line in the url
>>> "http://www.digitalmars.com/d/":
>>>
>>> Note: all D users agree that by downloading and using D, or reading the
>>> D specs, they will explicitly identify any claims to intellectual
>>> property rights with a copyright or patent notice in any posted or
>>> emailed feedback sent to Digital Mars.
>>>
>>> What does that mean?
>>> If I would like to work with the D language what would that mean to me as a developer?
>>
>> It means you must be upfront about any IP claims on ideas and code posted here or sent to Digital Mars. If you patented or will patent an idea submitted here, say so. If you wish to retain copyright, say so.
> 
> err ... why couldn't the note on the website be a bit more clear?

It is syntactically correct, but it takes a while to parse, and the important clause is at the end. IMO, make it clear you are talking about code submitted to the NG or Digital Mars in the beginning of the statement.

it's not necessarily code. could be an algorithm or any other patentable content.

Kyle Furlong wrote:
> Hasan Aljudy wrote:
>>
>>
>> Walter Bright wrote:
>>> Jakob Praher wrote:
>>>> I am interesting in adopting D for some kind of system programming. I have used the LLVM infrastructure and would like to play with D.
>>>>
>>>> What puzzles me is the following line in the url "http://www.digitalmars.com/d/":
>>>>
>>>> Note: all D users agree that by downloading and using D, or reading the D specs, they will explicitly identify any claims to intellectual property rights with a copyright or patent notice in any posted or emailed feedback sent to Digital Mars.
>>>>
>>>> What does that mean?
>>>> If I would like to work with the D language what would that mean to
>>>> me as a developer?
>>>
>>> It means you must be upfront about any IP claims on ideas and code
>>> posted here or sent to Digital Mars. If you patented or will patent
>>> an idea submitted here, say so. If you wish to retain copyright, say so.
>>
>> err ... why couldn't the note on the website be a bit more clear?
> 
> It is syntactically correct, but it takes a while to parse, and the important clause is at the end. IMO, make it clear you are talking about code submitted to the NG or Digital Mars in the beginning of the statement.

Kyle Furlong wrote:
> Hasan Aljudy wrote:
>>
>>
>> Walter Bright wrote:
>>> Jakob Praher wrote:
>>>> I am interesting in adopting D for some kind of system programming. I
>>>> have used the LLVM infrastructure and would like to play with D.
>>>>
>>>> What puzzles me is the following line in the url
>>>> "http://www.digitalmars.com/d/":
>>>>
>>>> Note: all D users agree that by downloading and using D, or reading the
>>>> D specs, they will explicitly identify any claims to intellectual
>>>> property rights with a copyright or patent notice in any posted or
>>>> emailed feedback sent to Digital Mars.
>>>>
>>>> What does that mean?
>>>> If I would like to work with the D language what would that mean to me as a developer?
>>>
>>> It means you must be upfront about any IP claims on ideas and code posted here or sent to Digital Mars. If you patented or will patent an idea submitted here, say so. If you wish to retain copyright, say so.
>>
>> err ... why couldn't the note on the website be a bit more clear?
> 
> It is syntactically correct, but it takes a while to parse, and the important clause is at the end. IMO, make it clear you are talking about code submitted to the NG or Digital Mars in the beginning of the statement.

Well sure it's legally correct .. (or well, who knows, maybe not .. I'm not a lawyer), but that's exactly my point; why does it have to be hard to understand if it needs to be legally correct?

Hasan Aljudy wrote:
> Well sure it's legally correct .. (or well, who knows, maybe not .. I'm not a lawyer), but that's exactly my point; why does it have to be hard to understand if it needs to be legally correct?

I'm not seeing what's hard to understand about it.

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:30:54 -0800, Walter Bright wrote:

> Hasan Aljudy wrote:
>> Well sure it's legally correct .. (or well, who knows, maybe not .. I'm not a lawyer), but that's exactly my point; why does it have to be hard to understand if it needs to be legally correct?
> 
> I'm not seeing what's hard to understand about it.

"
Note: all D users agree that by downloading and using D, or reading the
D specs, they will explicitly identify any claims to intellectual
property rights with a copyright or patent notice in any posted or
emailed feedback sent to Digital Mars.
"

The word 'will' is ambiguous to my mind. It could be read as ...

"Note: all D users agree that by downloading and using D, or reading the
D specs, they _thereby already_ explicitly identify any claims to
intellectual property rights with a copyright or patent notice in any
posted or emailed feedback sent to Digital Mars.
"

But that doesn't make a lot of sense so it becomes a bit of a challenge to understand your intent. However I think you mean more like ...

"
Note: all D users agree that, as a consequence of either downloading and
using D or reading the D specs, they must explicitly identify any claims to
intellectual property rights in anything posted or emailed to Digital Mars
by including a copyright or patent notice along with the item sent.
"

-- 
Derek Parnell
Melbourne, Australia
"Justice for David Hicks!"
skype: derek.j.parnell

Derek Parnell wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:30:54 -0800, Walter Bright wrote:
> 
>> Hasan Aljudy wrote:
>>> Well sure it's legally correct .. (or well, who knows, maybe not .. I'm not a lawyer), but that's exactly my point; why does it have to be hard to understand if it needs to be legally correct?
>> I'm not seeing what's hard to understand about it.
> 
> "
> Note: all D users agree that by downloading and using D, or reading the
> D specs, they will explicitly identify any claims to intellectual
> property rights with a copyright or patent notice in any posted or
> emailed feedback sent to Digital Mars.
> "
> 
> The word 'will' is ambiguous to my mind. It could be read as ...
> 
> "Note: all D users agree that by downloading and using D, or reading the
> D specs, they _thereby already_ explicitly identify any claims to
> intellectual property rights with a copyright or patent notice in any
> posted or emailed feedback sent to Digital Mars.
> "
> 
> But that doesn't make a lot of sense so it becomes a bit of a challenge to
> understand your intent. However I think you mean more like ...
> 
> "
> Note: all D users agree that, as a consequence of either downloading and
> using D or reading the D specs, they must explicitly identify any claims to
> intellectual property rights in anything posted or emailed to Digital Mars
> by including a copyright or patent notice along with the item sent.
> "
> 

I'd be tempted to drop a significant chunk of that and turn it into:

Anything posted or emailed to Digital Mars must explicitly identify any claims to intellectual property rights by including a copyright or patent notice along with the item sent.

But I suppose that there's some legal reason why some action must be taken prior to the requirements being enforceable or some such.

Later,
Brad