On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:15:08 -0800, Brad Roberts wrote:

> BCS wrote:
>> Knud Soerensen wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:34:38 -0800, Brad Roberts wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> It seems to me that the .announce newsgroup is being used as much more than an announcement list.  It's essentially a second version of digitalmars.D.  What would it take to change .announce back to being an announcement only newsgroup?  It'd help keep the noise down for people who only want to track, uh, announcements.
>>>>
>>>> Sigh,
>>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad what are you talking about ??
>>> Do you suggest that people shouldn't be allow to reply on announcement,
>>> or are you say that you news read is incapable of showing a thread
>>> view ;-)
>> 
>> my thought exactly
> 
> The client I use is perfectly capable of threading, but that's not the point.
> 
> The point is that the announcement newsgroup isn't being used as an announcement newsgroup.  The purpose of having one separate from a general discussion newsgroup is to have a high signal low noise specific place for real announcements.
> 
> It's not a difficult concept.
> 
> Later,
> Brad

I get the concept but I don't understand your reason for the suggestion. Why don't you just read the first post in each tread ?? (or get your newsreader to filter everything else away.)

I really like the announcement newsgroup as it is.

Knud

"Bruno Medeiros" <brunodomedeiros+spam@com.gmail> wrote in message news:esn8r0$in6$1@digitalmars.com...
>
> I think such messages are harmless in D.announce. But I don't know if others think the same.
>

I agree.  All the topics are announcing things; if there's discussion on the topic, well, I don't see any problem with that.  Forcing discussion to take place on another group than the one on which the original post was made for the sake of "appropriateness" just seems pedantic to me.

Knud Soerensen wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:15:08 -0800, Brad Roberts wrote:
> 
>> BCS wrote:
>>> Knud Soerensen wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:34:38 -0800, Brad Roberts wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It seems to me that the .announce newsgroup is being used as much more than an announcement list.  It's essentially a second version of digitalmars.D.  What would it take to change .announce back to being an announcement only newsgroup?  It'd help keep the noise down for people who only want to track, uh, announcements.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sigh,
>>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>> Brad what are you talking about ??
>>>> Do you suggest that people shouldn't be allow to reply on announcement,
>>>> or are you say that you news read is incapable of showing a thread view ;-)
>>> my thought exactly
>> The client I use is perfectly capable of threading, but that's not the point.
>>
>> The point is that the announcement newsgroup isn't being used as an announcement newsgroup.  The purpose of having one separate from a general discussion newsgroup is to have a high signal low noise specific place for real announcements.
>>
>> It's not a difficult concept.
>>
>> Later,
>> Brad
> 
> I get the concept but I don't understand your reason for the suggestion.
> Why don't you just read the first post in each tread ?? (or get your
> newsreader to filter everything else away.)
> 
> I really like the announcement newsgroup as it is.
> 
> Knud

Personally I don't mind announcements being replied to however they often they do go off track.  Things like feature start being discussed ect...  Also there have been a few announcements that I would not consider announcements.

Sometimes someone mentions something they posted a few days back and I don't have a clue.  It often turns up buried in the announce group.

I think a polite user-driven redirection email would suffice.  ie -> see answer in newsgroup.X.  Or perhaps a little message associated with each newsgroup on the Digitalmars webpage detailing what each is about would help (and a link to some wiki page for more details).

I'm however not to fussed about this issue either.

janderson wrote:
> Personally I don't mind announcements being replied to however they often they do go off track.  Things like feature start being discussed ect...  Also there have been a few announcements that I would not consider announcements.

My main (and minor) issue is when, say, a new release of X comes out, then the thread diverges into something about Y. People interested in Y won't find it by looking at the thread titles, and google's search will probably bury it, too.

The newsgroup archives are a very valuable resource, and having an eye towards using a relevant thread subject line will help make them even more useful.

This isn't a big deal, it just helps.

The thank-you messages are fine and good, and help keep us motivated!

I think that the announce newsgroup shouldn't be cluttered with discussions about specific features.

Maybe cross-posting an announce to both digitalmars.D.announce and digitalmars.D and setting the followup-to field to digitalmars.D can be useful. Better if you specify explicitly in the posting "Follow-ups to digitalmars.D, not this newsgroup".

Ciao

Walter Bright wrote:
> janderson wrote:
>> Personally I don't mind announcements being replied to however they often they do go off track.  Things like feature start being discussed ect...  Also there have been a few announcements that I would not consider announcements.
> 
> My main (and minor) issue is when, say, a new release of X comes out, then the thread diverges into something about Y. People interested in Y won't find it by looking at the thread titles, and google's search will probably bury it, too.
> 
[snip]

Agreed.  I also have appreciated when people have (in particular you) start a new thread for insanely long threads.

-Joel

Brad Roberts wrote:
> It seems to me that the .announce newsgroup is being used as much more than an announcement list.  It's essentially a second version of digitalmars.D.  What would it take to change .announce back to being an announcement only newsgroup?  It'd help keep the noise down for people who only want to track, uh, announcements.
> 
> Sigh,
> Brad

Personally, I only have a problem with this when I cruise the group in "firehose mode" (list all by date).  I gave up doing things that way about a year ago.  IMO, any of the D newsgroups are really only useful in threaded mode, since there's so much happening simultaneously these days.

But as far as making .announce being post-but-not-reply only?  That might be kind of nice.

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