In my true always-late fashion, I finally finished my latest library and compiler package.  This one was slightly harder due to some changes in DWT.  Suffice it to say that it all works now.  I've tested it all out and it's good to go.

http://www.fsdev.net/gf/project/dmd-snaps/frs/?action=FrsReleaseView&release_id=107

So if you're stuck trying to get the latest version of DWT to work or something similar to that effect, this could be useful, since I've already done that bit of work for you.  So if you want to, feel free to let me know what you think!

Chris R. Miller wrote:
> In my true always-late fashion, I finally finished my latest library and compiler package.  This one was slightly harder due to some changes in DWT.  Suffice it to say that it all works now.  I've tested it all out and it's good to go.
> 
> http://www.fsdev.net/gf/project/dmd-snaps/frs/?action=FrsReleaseView&release_id=107
> 
> So if you're stuck trying to get the latest version of DWT to work or something similar to that effect, this could be useful, since I've already done that bit of work for you.  So if you want to, feel free to let me know what you think!
> 

Awesome.  The community has needed a comprehensive toolkit package for some time.  Thanks for doing this! ;)

There's just one wart: You're too short on details! I had to download the package and browse the contents before I realized what you did here. 


http://www.fsdev.net/gf/project/dmd-snaps/

This toolkit is an all-in-one download for Windows, that includes the following:

DMD (complete with DM linker and 'make')
DDBG
Tango
DSSS (complete with 'rebuild')
DWT
DDBI
Derelict
...and a host of misc. modules by Derek and Gregor.

IMO, the only thing that is missing is Tangobos. ;)

- Pragma

pragma Wrote:

> Chris R. Miller wrote:
> > In my true always-late fashion, I finally finished my latest library and compiler package.  This one was slightly harder due to some changes in DWT.  Suffice it to say that it all works now.  I've tested it all out and it's good to go.
> > 
> > http://www.fsdev.net/gf/project/dmd-snaps/frs/?action=FrsReleaseView&release_id=107
> > 
> > So if you're stuck trying to get the latest version of DWT to work or something similar to that effect, this could be useful, since I've already done that bit of work for you.  So if you want to, feel free to let me know what you think!
> > 
> 
> Awesome.  The community has needed a comprehensive toolkit package for some time.  Thanks for doing this! ;)

IMHO is absolutely essential.  Newbies coming into D aren't going to be interested in learning how to build the development toolchain, and I would think that a zero-to-compile package is absolutely necessary to getting people who're interested in D to the point where they can actually start working with D.

Right now the D Programming Community is rather small, only about 50 people at most if I'm estimating correctly.  Making it bigger is high on the priority list.  Well, at least on the priority list of a groupie like me.

> There's just one wart: You're too short on details! I had to download

Indeed, when talking about a language as fascinating and exciting as D, it is extremely difficult to not be too short on details!

> the package and browse the contents before I realized what you did here.
> 
> http://www.fsdev.net/gf/project/dmd-snaps/
> 
> This toolkit is an all-in-one download for Windows, that includes the following:
> 
> DMD (complete with DM linker and 'make')
> DDBG
> Tango
> DSSS (complete with 'rebuild')
> DWT
> DDBI
> Derelict
> ...and a host of misc. modules by Derek and Gregor.
> 
> IMO, the only thing that is missing is Tangobos. ;)

Hm, I remember reading that Tangobos can induce some problems.  This was way back during Tango 0.99.4 era IIRC, and stuff could have changed by now.  If someone can vouch for the stability of Tangobos today, I'd be more than happy to add it to the next release.

Chris R. Miller schrieb:
> In my true always-late fashion, I finally finished my latest library and compiler package.  This one was slightly harder due to some changes in DWT.  Suffice it to say that it all works now.  I've tested it all out and it's good to go.
> 
> http://www.fsdev.net/gf/project/dmd-snaps/frs/?action=FrsReleaseView&release_id=107
> 
> So if you're stuck trying to get the latest version of DWT to work or something similar to that effect, this could be useful, since I've already done that bit of work for you.  So if you want to, feel free to let me know what you think!
> 
Chris,
just want to say

 THANKS !!!

AND THE CROWD CALLED OUT FOR MORE

Erm, due to the fact that Eric (Pragma) answered...hope he's listening.. what about DDL ?
Bjoern

Bjoern wrote:
> Chris R. Miller schrieb:
>> In my true always-late fashion, I finally finished my latest library and compiler package.  This one was slightly harder due to some changes in DWT.  Suffice it to say that it all works now.  I've tested it all out and it's good to go.
>>
>> http://www.fsdev.net/gf/project/dmd-snaps/frs/?action=FrsReleaseView&release_id=107 
>>
>>
>> So if you're stuck trying to get the latest version of DWT to work or something similar to that effect, this could be useful, since I've already done that bit of work for you.  So if you want to, feel free to let me know what you think!
>>
> Chris,
> just want to say
> 
>  THANKS !!!
> 
> AND THE CROWD CALLED OUT FOR MORE
> 
> Erm, due to the fact that Eric (Pragma) answered...hope he's listening.. what about DDL ?
> Bjoern

DDL has been on life support thanks, in no small way, to Tom S and Team0xf.  In fact, he recently committed a patch that cuts DDL's memory consumption *in half*!

However, as it is *still* a beta library, it is in dire need of additional engineering and frankly, I'm swamped.  If anything, it needs to be DSSS-ified - if anyone is up for the task, I will be more than happy to add the needed files/changes to the DDL SVN.

- Pragma

pragma schrieb:
> Bjoern wrote:
>> Chris R. Miller schrieb:
>>> In my true always-late fashion, I finally finished my latest library and compiler package.  This one was slightly harder due to some changes in DWT.  Suffice it to say that it all works now.  I've tested it all out and it's good to go.
>>>
>>> http://www.fsdev.net/gf/project/dmd-snaps/frs/?action=FrsReleaseView&release_id=107 
>>>
>>>
>>> So if you're stuck trying to get the latest version of DWT to work or something similar to that effect, this could be useful, since I've already done that bit of work for you.  So if you want to, feel free to let me know what you think!
>>>
>> Chris,
>> just want to say
>>
>>  THANKS !!!
>>
>> AND THE CROWD CALLED OUT FOR MORE
>>
>> Erm, due to the fact that Eric (Pragma) answered...hope he's listening.. what about DDL ?
>> Bjoern
> 
> DDL has been on life support thanks, in no small way, to Tom S and Team0xf.  In fact, he recently committed a patch that cuts DDL's memory consumption *in half*!
> 
> However, as it is *still* a beta library, it is in dire need of additional engineering and frankly, I'm swamped.  If anything, it needs to be DSSS-ified - if anyone is up for the task, I will be more than happy to add the needed files/changes to the DDL SVN.
> 
> - Pragma

Thanks Pragma, not that I want to produce too much stress..

HOPE YOU KNOW HOW IMPORTANT DDL IS !!! ????

<g> Well,  Tom did a great job. (thanks)
Bjoern
ps Even as beta, Id like to use DDL to enable:establis IDE  plugins (win only)

Bjoern Wrote:

> pragma schrieb:
> > Bjoern wrote:
> >> Chris R. Miller schrieb:
> >>> In my true always-late fashion, I finally finished my latest library and compiler package.  This one was slightly harder due to some changes in DWT.  Suffice it to say that it all works now.  I've tested it all out and it's good to go.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.fsdev.net/gf/project/dmd-snaps/frs/?action=FrsReleaseView&release_id=107
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So if you're stuck trying to get the latest version of DWT to work or something similar to that effect, this could be useful, since I've already done that bit of work for you.  So if you want to, feel free to let me know what you think!
> >>>
> >> Chris,
> >> just want to say
> >>
> >>  THANKS !!!
> >>
> >> AND THE CROWD CALLED OUT FOR MORE
> >>
> >> Erm, due to the fact that Eric (Pragma) answered...hope he's
> >> listening.. what about DDL ?
> >> Bjoern
> > 
> > DDL has been on life support thanks, in no small way, to Tom S and Team0xf.  In fact, he recently committed a patch that cuts DDL's memory consumption *in half*!
> > 
> > However, as it is *still* a beta library, it is in dire need of additional engineering and frankly, I'm swamped.  If anything, it needs to be DSSS-ified - if anyone is up for the task, I will be more than happy to add the needed files/changes to the DDL SVN.
> > 
> > - Pragma
> 
> Thanks Pragma, not that I want to produce too much stress..
> 
> HOPE YOU KNOW HOW IMPORTANT DDL IS !!! ????

Yes, I agree that DDL is a very important tool.  I've already put it on my to-do list, so it'll inevitably get done now.

>> IMO, the only thing that is missing is Tangobos. ;)
> 
> Hm, I remember reading that Tangobos can induce some problems.  This was way back during Tango 0.99.4 era IIRC, and stuff could have changed by now.  If someone can vouch for the stability of Tangobos today, I'd be more than happy to add it to the next release.

I don't know what problems you're referring to, but I think it works pretty well these days.

--bb

Bill Baxter wrote:
>>> IMO, the only thing that is missing is Tangobos. ;)
>> 
>> Hm, I remember reading that Tangobos can induce some problems.  This was way back during Tango 0.99.4 era IIRC, and stuff could have changed by now.  If someone can vouch for the stability of Tangobos today, I'd be more than happy to add it to the next release.
> 
> I don't know what problems you're referring to, but I think it works pretty well these days.

Might have been the problems with multiply defined symbols.  It's possible that there are less of those now that your bug 1833 has been fixed.  Can't remember what other problems there were, nowadays I just avoid tangobos for anything but small test apps.

Using parts of tangobos in a program that's mainly tango-based might be ok, though.  Not that I see that point of that, since in most cases you'd just be introducing dependencies that you could have avoided easily.

Chris R. Miller Wrote:

> Bjoern Wrote:
> 
> > pragma schrieb:
> > > Bjoern wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Erm, due to the fact that Eric (Pragma) answered...hope he's
> > >> listening.. what about DDL ?
> > >> Bjoern
> > > 
> > > DDL has been on life support thanks, in no small way, to Tom S and Team0xf.  In fact, he recently committed a patch that cuts DDL's memory consumption *in half*!
> > > 
> > > However, as it is *still* a beta library, it is in dire need of additional engineering and frankly, I'm swamped.  If anything, it needs to be DSSS-ified - if anyone is up for the task, I will be more than happy to add the needed files/changes to the DDL SVN.
> > 
> > Thanks Pragma, not that I want to produce too much stress..
> > 
> > HOPE YOU KNOW HOW IMPORTANT DDL IS !!! ????
> 
> Yes, I agree that DDL is a very important tool.  I've already put it on my to-do list, so it'll inevitably get done now.

And so it was inevitable.  DDL is actually easy to install, though the utilities take a bit more know-how to compile - or msys, which I didn't have on hand.

Anyways, I got DDL in there.  I didn't think it as worth a full version increment, since nothing else changed at all.  You can download the new version here:

http://tinyurl.com/5fqfxj

Just merge it onto what you already have, since nothing actually changed, though stuff was added.