On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:48:56 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:36:04 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>> On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:29:01 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:22:23 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>>>>I suggest you read up on some computing history, start with
>>>> WordStar:
>>>>
>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordStar
>>>
>>> I fail to see how Wordstar is relevant.
>>
>> Perhaps that's why you're missing every other thing I'm pointing out too.
>>
> The fact that is currently abandon and there isn't anything mobile related in the article that I just scan read? Yea, you need to improve on explaining things.

I'd argue you need to improve on understanding things.  Specifically, just as WordStar once dominated the market and is now dead, the same is happening to Word and Windows now.

>>> Regardless people are 0not going to use mobile in the work place.
>>
>> If that's so, I suspect the "work place" will become irrelevant.
>>
> LOL Ok, now I know you talking nonsense.
>>> You crusade against windows OS support is pointless.
>>
>> I don't crusade against anything.  I simply point out that wasting time on a dying platform is not the best use of D tool devs' time.
> Newsflash, it's not "dying". The mobile market is NOT going to single handily replace the laptop and desktop market.

It has not been fully replaced _yet_, but that is precisely what is about to happen.

On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 16:25:35 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> While complaining about what Microsoft is doing with VS may be justified, it doesn't really help anything. I think that we'd all be better off if we just let this topic die.
>
> - Jonathan M Davis

That attitude would have you instantly evicted from my team ;-)

It's precisely because of the 'complaining' that Microsoft is changing its ways'.

Complain even 'louder'...that's my advice.

-- The only real problem with Windows, is that you can't fork it --

On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 23:01:37 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>
> I'd argue you need to improve on understanding things.  Specifically, just as WordStar once dominated the market and is now dead, the same is happening to Word and Windows now.
>
> It has not been fully replaced _yet_, but that is precisely what is about to happen.

Oh don't worry about that, MS already has a ARM device prototype with native desktop Windows 10 version(with x86 -> ARM translator).

On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 16:14:11 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:
> How exactly do you know this? You never justify it! We are living in an age where we have terabytes harddrives! Hell, I even recall that gdb needs python for some strange reason, in my linux machines. I don't know WHY it requires it, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions and think it as "unnecessary-dependencies" simply because I don't understand the rational behind it.

I believe that complexity and unnecessary dependencies on components and other teams, is the biggest problem/challenge facing modern software development.

It lead to software that is intolerant to change.

And it's the primary reason why the Cylons, when they arrive, will defeat us ;-)

The D language is so refreshing...that I'd hate to see it get caught up in that mess of complexity. We should all really be on guard against it.

On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 23:01:37 UTC, Joakim wrote:

> It has not been fully replaced _yet_, but that is precisely what is about to happen.

You got to try harder then the "because I say so" routine.

On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 16:14:11 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:
> Hell, I even recall that gdb needs python for some strange reason, in my linux machines. I don't know WHY it requires it, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions and think it as "unnecessary-dependencies" simply because I don't understand the rational behind it.

Here is an interesting paper, that explores the dependencies between modules in some open source kernels (linux vs BSD).

The paper found the linux kernel (compared to the BSD kernels) had far too much dependency between modules, because linux uses far too many global variables, and so too many modules are tightly coupled by mean of them sharing those global variables.

They argued that such common coupling (module dependencies) have a deleterious effect on maintainability, and that such common coupling increases exponentially with each subsequent release, further reducing maintainability.

The key take away point of course, is that software development really needs to be on guard against the problems associated with modular dependencies.

It's one of the reasons functional programming is becoming increasingly important (and useful).

There is no reason why the principle should not also apply to the distribution of software.

https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1150566.1150571

On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 16:25:35 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> While complaining about what Microsoft is doing with VS may be justified, it doesn't really help anything. I think that we'd all be better off if we just let this topic die.
>

Not to push the point too much...but I found this interesting phrase, from Google's 'ten things we know to be true'

"Ultimately, our constant dissatisfaction with the way things are becomes the driving force behind everything we do."

https://www.google.com/about/philosophy.html

On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 20:58:45 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:
> What makes you think that windows is a "dying platform"!? There is no evidence to suggest this.

Windows dying? Perhaps not.

But the dominance of Windows is *certainly* under threat.

The clear evidence for that, is the strategies MS is putting in place
to go cross-platform, and, increasingly, open-source.

Good on em' for adapating...

D is focused on its cross-platform capabilites, which wil be really important for its future too...

So the evidence is in. Windows is becoming less dominant...and there's no reason to believe that won't continue to be the case...

btw. No mobile device will replace my desktop pc ...

Like the pharaohs..I want access to my desktop pc in the after life too..so it will be buried with me ;-)

On 10/29/2017 1:03 PM, Benjamin Thaut wrote:
> Unfortunately I currenlty don't have a lot of spare time to spend on open source projets. I will however have some more time in December. My current plan is to revive DIP 45 and my dll implementation and give it some finishing touches as discussed with Walter at DConf 2017.

Looking forward to it!

On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 01:51:33 UTC, evilrat wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 23:01:37 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>>
>> I'd argue you need to improve on understanding things.  Specifically, just as WordStar once dominated the market and is now dead, the same is happening to Word and Windows now.
>>
>> It has not been fully replaced _yet_, but that is precisely what is about to happen.
>
> Oh don't worry about that, MS already has a ARM device prototype with native desktop Windows 10 version(with x86 -> ARM translator).

I know, I alluded to their Windows on ARM effort in the first post in the thread I linked.  I suspect it will be far too late and won't matter, just like Windows Phone.

On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 02:39:44 UTC, 12345swordy wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 23:01:37 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>
>> It has not been fully replaced _yet_, but that is precisely what is about to happen.
>
> You got to try harder then the "because I say so" routine.

That's funny, because you're the only one using that routine.  I've linked to extensive data showing that Windows is already dying in the thread that I gave you, specifically my first and last posts in that thread.  You seem not to be able to follow such links and data, as you not only don't acknowledge but seemingly flatly deny the ongoing PC sales decline?  The collapse is next.

On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 03:50:43 UTC, codephantom wrote:
> btw. No mobile device will replace my desktop pc ...
>
> Like the pharaohs..I want access to my desktop pc in the after life too..so it will be buried with me ;-)

Do you see anybody out there using a UNIX workstation?  He's out there, that rare person who came up on it, and like you, says he will never replace it. :)

Unless you become a relic like that guy, you too will likely simply switch to a mobile device someday, docked like the S8 in its DeX dock.  Maybe you will be one of the few running Microsoft's rumored Andromeda device, as opposed to the mass-market device like the S8:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-rumored-andromeda-foldable-mobile-device-what-might-be-inside/

More likely you will use something based on Android, iOS, Fuchsia, or some new mobile OS.