Hi! In the beginning, sorry for my very bad English (and, perhaps, for stupid idea too) :) I hope we'll find common language :)

I don't program with D a lot, but when I try to find information in google, I use that way:
"dlang something". And google very often tries to change it to "slang something" :)
But I think, today, it's the best way. Because you can't look for "d something". Because D - it's just a letter.
dlang - it's a word, so you can find something more ease, than just with "D".

There're no any problem - you'll find necessary information on first-second page of searching results.

Problems appear when I try to find all open-source solutions for D.
For example, if I wanna find all web-frameworks and compare them.
Recently, I tried to find package manager - it was a problem _for me_. I understand - there're package manager, but I can't compare all them, because I can't find them _quickly_.

I think, it would more better, if D had official phrase for searchings. For example:
d7ddb663512e4618b8f03d725d7f49c9e0ecc1e2 (sha1).
If you'll find "d7ddb663512e4618b8f03d725d7f49c9e0ecc1e2 web-framework" - you'll find nothing. It's very cool. Because, if there aren't web framework for D - you'll just know about it. You won't move through 10 pages of noise from Google.

Hash may be more short:
bozf4qy (tinyurl for dlang.org) - it's more cognizable and still effective:
"bozf4qy game engine" - nothing. It's cool.

And try to use that:
"dlang game engine" - something usefull and MUCH noise.

And compare with that:
"JavaScript game engine". projects, libraries, etc. Perfect searching.

It's very easy to integrate this technique with already existing projects: just add to "README.md" string "bozf4qy". Or ask you forum engine to add small, non-contrast label "bozf4qy" before every message - so you can look for answers for problems, not only for projects and libraries.

I think, it's very easy to use, to integrate.
But what do you think about it? Why not?

Sorry, if I spent your time for nothing :(

12/18/2012 1:47 PM, egslava пишет:
> Hi! In the beginning, sorry for my very bad English (and, perhaps, for
> stupid idea too) :) I hope we'll find common language :)
>

Hi!

> I think, it would more better, if D had official phrase for searchings.
> For example:
> d7ddb663512e4618b8f03d725d7f49c9e0ecc1e2 (sha1).
> If you'll find "d7ddb663512e4618b8f03d725d7f49c9e0ecc1e2 web-framework"
> - you'll find nothing. It's very cool. Because, if there aren't web
> framework for D - you'll just know about it. You won't move through 10
> pages of noise from Google.
>

Just LOL. Would be hard to integrate into a community at large but quite cool idea :)


-- 
Dmitry Olshansky

On Tuesday, 18 December 2012 at 09:47:24 UTC, egslava wrote:
> I don't program with D a lot, but when I try to find information in google, I use that way:
> "dlang something". And google very often tries to change it to "slang something" :)
> But I think, today, it's the best way. Because you can't look for "d something". Because D - it's just a letter.
> dlang - it's a word, so you can find something more ease, than just with "D".


Personally, if i am looking for anything related to D i first search with the prefix "d programming language" so i would search for "d programming language something" then if that fails i would maybe try "dlang something" but i currently only do that if i think that "something" could be found on dlang.org and this has so far worked well enough for me.

tldr: Try searching with "d programming language" as a prefix first.

On Tuesday, 18 December 2012 at 11:39:29 UTC, Nekroze wrote:
> On Tuesday, 18 December 2012 at 09:47:24 UTC, egslava wrote:
>> I don't program with D a lot, but when I try to find information in google, I use that way:
>> "dlang something". And google very often tries to change it to "slang something" :)
>> But I think, today, it's the best way. Because you can't look for "d something". Because D - it's just a letter.
>> dlang - it's a word, so you can find something more ease, than just with "D".
>
>
> Personally, if i am looking for anything related to D i first search with the prefix "d programming language" so i would search for "d programming language something" then if that fails i would maybe try "dlang something" but i currently only do that if i think that "something" could be found on dlang.org and this has so far worked well enough for me.
>
> tldr: Try searching with "d programming language" as a prefix first.

For example, I try to use that phrase:
>d programming language sha256
I needed only sha-256 library for my course work. Only. Don't ask me why :)
And I really don't know: is there RIGHT library or not? And there are a lot of noise in google results. There're much noise and there're few common cipher libraries.
If I know - there aren't another libraries - I'll try to fit existance libraries for my purposes.
If I know - there is library more fitted for my purposes - I'll look for that.

It's very easy add to web-page:
bozf4qy (or something else)
And all problems about search are solved: you will look only for D2 libraries and solutions.

Why not?

On 12/18/2012 08:12 AM, egslava wrote:
> For example, I try to use that phrase:
>> d programming language sha256
> I needed only sha-256 library for my course work. Only. Don't ask me why :)
> And I really don't know: is there RIGHT library or not? And there are a
> lot of noise in google results. There're much noise and there're few
> common cipher libraries.

Wouldn't one just use OpenSSL?

FYI - I search for d language <something>.

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> Wouldn't one just use OpenSSL?
I just looked for something simple like:
auto sha = sha256_digest("blah");

> FYI - I search for d language <something>.
And I couldn't find that easily :( I found some library, but I had been modificating that about two hours.

But, please, ask me. Is it hard to add some string to your site? Just add string - that will do live easier for many D2 users.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 22:39, Nekroze wrote:
> On Tuesday, 18 December 2012 at 09:47:24 UTC, egslava wrote:
> > I don't program with D a lot, but when I try to find
> > information in google, I use that way:
> > "dlang something". And google very often tries to change it to
> > "slang something" :)
> > But I think, today, it's the best way. Because you can't look
> > for "d something". Because D - it's just a letter.
> > dlang - it's a word, so you can find something more ease, than
> > just with "D".
> 
> 
> Personally, if i am looking for anything related to D i first search with the prefix "d programming language" so i would search for "d programming language something" then if that fails i would maybe try "dlang something" but i currently only do that if i think that "something" could be found on dlang.org and this has so far worked well enough for me.
> 
> tldr: Try searching with "d programming language" as a prefix first.

See this FAQ article [1].

[1] http://dlang.org/faq.html#q1_1

Yes, I know it, but I didn't suppose to rename the language :) No! No, no, no! :)
I supposed to all d users just add some tag for their libraries. It's simple. It doesn't require change the name of the language. It doesn't change something, except few lines of your CMS code :(

Really, why not?

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:47 AM, egslava <egslava@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi! In the beginning, sorry for my very bad English (and, perhaps, for
> stupid idea too) :) I hope we'll find common language :)
>
> I don't program with D a lot, but when I try to find information in
> google, I use that way:
> "dlang something". And google very often tries to change it to "slang
> something" :)
> But I think, today, it's the best way. Because you can't look for "d
> something". Because D - it's just a letter.
> dlang - it's a word, so you can find something more ease, than just with
> "D".
>
> There're no any problem - you'll find necessary information on first-second page of searching results.
>
> Problems appear when I try to find all open-source solutions for D.
> For example, if I wanna find all web-frameworks and compare them.
> Recently, I tried to find package manager - it was a problem _for me_. I
> understand - there're package manager, but I can't compare all them,
> because I can't find them _quickly_.
>
> I think, it would more better, if D had official phrase for searchings.
> For example:
> d7ddb663512e4618b8f03d725d7f49**c9e0ecc1e2 (sha1).
> If you'll find "**d7ddb663512e4618b8f03d725d7f49**c9e0ecc1e2
> web-framework" - you'll find nothing. It's very cool. Because, if there
> aren't web framework for D - you'll just know about it. You won't move
> through 10 pages of noise from Google.
>

While that's certainly the most interesting solution I've heard to this sort of problem, in my own opinion I'd think that having a centralized index and package tool (much like ruby's "gem", python's "pip", lua's "luarocks") would be a better way of handling the issue - I remember seeing a bit of talk about this some months (years?) ago but have since been too busy to worry about it. :D

Best regards,
Jeremy Sandell

I often search libraries on Github — it allows to filter results
by language, and probably most D libraries are anyway hosted
there.