May 26, 2022

On Thursday, 26 May 2022 at 13:22:34 UTC, Tejas wrote:

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So... what happened to Vlad's bugzilla harmony proposal? It's decided that we're moving to GitHub issues?

https://forum.dlang.org/post/qrtjqubrbuqeiffunili@forum.dlang.org

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Unfortunately, he reported that he has encountered a blocker. He needs the configuration files for our active Bugzilla instance, but the maintainer has so far been unresponsive. For now, he will continue working on Bugzilla and will keep trying to get the configuration files

AFAIK, he was never able to get the files he needed.

May 26, 2022

On Thursday, 26 May 2022 at 12:24:34 UTC, mee6 wrote:

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Why didn't you post the better link you used?

Bugzilla is convoluted, what ever happened to switching to github? You wouldn't have this problem with github.

Not that I'm a big fan of bugzilla but how many user do you think really want to use D, but don't really want to do so because of bugzilla?

I estimate that number at exactly 0.

At least this won't break tooling, so it's still much better than random syntax changes, but nevertheless, the fact that no matter what discussion is started, it always revert back to this really is an example of the lack of focus that is holding D back.

May 26, 2022

On Thursday, 26 May 2022 at 13:48:43 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

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On Thursday, 26 May 2022 at 12:24:34 UTC, mee6 wrote:

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Why didn't you post the better link you used?

Bugzilla is convoluted, what ever happened to switching to github? You wouldn't have this problem with github.

Not that I'm a big fan of bugzilla but how many user do you think really want to use D, but don't really want to do so because of bugzilla?

I estimate that number at exactly 0.

At least this won't break tooling, so it's still much better than random syntax changes, but nevertheless, the fact that no matter what discussion is started, it always revert back to this really is an example of the lack of focus that is holding D back.

I think almost all developers nowadays, except really few people who prefer other solution (gitlab, bitbucket, etc) or just denied to use it, have GitHub account.

More bugs reported -> more bugs fixed -> better D

May 27, 2022

On Wednesday, 25 May 2022 at 12:23:21 UTC, Dukc wrote:

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While I wouldn't go as far to say that it's everything we have to know, it's still real research.

Most research is not useful in isolation. Scientific research aims at pointing to causal factors, not correlation or averaging self selected self evaluation. Correlation can be highly misleading, sadly.

It is useful to think of growth models like the ones you find in biology and other fields. So, if we think of D programmers as species and then think about population densities then we have something that can help.

D may have had enough game programmers over time, but not in sufficient density. Dplug is doing the clever thing, trying to create immigration to the D island from the mainland where food is scarce. But those birds need help crossing the ocean so it isn’t cheap... you need enough birds to weather a storm, so you cannot stop helping prematurely... so you are bound to a long term investment.

Doing the same for gaming is perhaps even more difficult, there is plenty on the mainland so why would the birds cross the ocean? We need something others don’t have that is very tasty... what exactly would that be?

D has attracted many species, but low concentrations of each. If you are below a threshold you will not produce. If you seed with random species maybe some will take hold given enough time, if the environment is stable, if it isnt you typically will get a rotation, but no big concencentration...

There is a reason why the D standard lib is the most successful collaboration.

May 27, 2022

On Thursday, 26 May 2022 at 13:48:43 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

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the fact that no matter what discussion is started, it always revert back to this really is an example of the lack of focus that is holding D back.

If it were me, I would position D as comfortable and safe ,Fast should be the second goal.

D's greatest advantage is comfort, which no one takes advantage of.

D should serve for top programmers and make them comfortable. This should be the goal of D!

The typical behave of comfort is cool just like your configured ultimate vim. 'comfort' requires various switch configurations to meet your needs.

Yes, the slogan is comfortable and safe. Come on ,Programmers!

May 27, 2022

On Friday, 27 May 2022 at 09:15:07 UTC, zjh wrote:

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Yes, the slogan is comfortable and safe. Come on ,Programmers!

What minority languages need most is to attract top programmers(core competitiveness). Otherwise, if no one writes the library for your, the ecology will hard to be established.

May 27, 2022

On Thursday, 26 May 2022 at 15:05:15 UTC, Sergey wrote:

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On Thursday, 26 May 2022 at 13:48:43 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

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On Thursday, 26 May 2022 at 12:24:34 UTC, mee6 wrote:

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Not that I'm a big fan of bugzilla but how many user do you think really want to use D, but don't really want to do so because of bugzilla?

I estimate that number at exactly 0.

At least this won't break tooling, so it's still much better than random syntax changes, but nevertheless, the fact that no matter what discussion is started, it always revert back to this really is an example of the lack of focus that is holding D back.

I think almost all developers nowadays, except really few people who prefer other solution (gitlab, bitbucket, etc) or just denied to use it, have GitHub account.

Bugzilla does not force people to use 2FA.

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More bugs reported -> more bugs fixed -> better D

If bugs are not reviewed, sorted, checked then an issue tracker becomes a black hole no matter if it's bugzilla or GH.

May 27, 2022

On Friday, 27 May 2022 at 09:20:28 UTC, zjh wrote:

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On Friday, 27 May 2022 at 09:15:07 UTC, zjh wrote:

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Yes, the slogan is comfortable and safe. Come on ,Programmers!

D lacks top programmers.
D should be positioned as serve for top programmers, and library author first!
And slogans should be shouted out loud on the "home page"! Just fast is not attractive.

May 27, 2022

On Friday, 27 May 2022 at 09:20:28 UTC, zjh wrote:

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What minority languages need most is to attract top programmers(core competitiveness). Otherwise, if no one writes the library for your, the ecology will hard to be established.

Yes, so D could position itself as a higher level alternative to C, than C++, and focus on Linux applications.

But then we have to understand what those specific programmers are looking for and make the changes/improvements needed to grab that market.

Right now, D is too much of a personal expression to allow such market targetting to happen. But who knows?

May 27, 2022

On Friday, 27 May 2022 at 09:15:07 UTC, zjh wrote:

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On Thursday, 26 May 2022 at 13:48:43 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

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the fact that no matter what discussion is started, it always revert back to this really is an example of the lack of focus that is holding D back.

If it were me, I would position D as comfortable and safe ,Fast should be the second goal.

If this is what you are looking for, then something like Python may be a perfect fit. And Python is indeed extremely popular. If you give up on 'fast', then this pits D language against many comfortable and safe programming languages.