"grauzone" <none@example.net> wrote in message news:gv4p44$1jq7$1@digitalmars.com...
> Ary Borenszweig wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtYCFVPfx4M
>
> How about posting a link to something everyone can play? Like an actual video file?
>
> Thank you.

Isn't youtube a video upload site with an inbuilt player? download youtube video

Saaa wrote:
> "grauzone" <none@example.net> wrote in message news:gv4p44$1jq7$1@digitalmars.com...
>> Ary Borenszweig wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtYCFVPfx4M
>> How about posting a link to something everyone can play? Like an actual video file?
>>
>> Thank you.
> 
> Isn't youtube a video upload site with an inbuilt player?

Yes, but it requires Flash and an unholy amount of AJAX.
No one can be bothered with installing Flash and having a JavaScript enabled browser, when something like mplayer would be enough. Especially if the media player works _much_better_.

> download youtube video 

Can't see a download button anywhere on YouTube. Obviously, Google forces users to install Flash.

BCS wrote:
> Reply to Ary,
> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtYCFVPfx4M
>>
> 
> The clunk you just heard is my jaw bouncing on the floor <G> NICE!!!!!

It would be very nice to have such a debugging feature. Too bad it's hardcoded into a very bug GUI system.

Even if I spent hours configuring Eclipse for my needs, there's still the speed issue. Even after I purchased a new PC, using Eclipse felt like stirring lava. (Sure, it was better than before, but I'll just stay with my light-speed fast syntax highlighting text editor.)

But for someone who does use Eclipse/Descent, this is great, of course.

> It would be very nice to have such a debugging feature. Too bad it's hardcoded into a very bug GUI system.

I meant to write "big", not "bug". Talk about Freudian Slips!

grauzone, el 22 de mayo a las 15:41 me escribiste:
> Saaa wrote:
> >"grauzone" <none@example.net> wrote in message news:gv4p44$1jq7$1@digitalmars.com...
> >>Ary Borenszweig wrote:
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtYCFVPfx4M
> >>How about posting a link to something everyone can play? Like an actual video file?
> >>
> >>Thank you.
> >Isn't youtube a video upload site with an inbuilt player?
> 
> Yes, but it requires Flash and an unholy amount of AJAX.
> No one can be bothered with installing Flash and having a JavaScript enabled browser, when something like mplayer would be enough. Especially if the
> media player works _much_better_.
> 
> >download youtube video
> 
> Can't see a download button anywhere on YouTube. Obviously, Google forces users to install Flash.

FYI, there are several programs that can "extract" videos from video uploading websites. These are the ones I found packed for Debian:

clive - video extraction utility for YouTube, Google Video and others
metacafe-dl - download videos from metacafe.com
nicovideo-dl - Download videos from www.nicovideo.jp
youtube-dl - download videos from youtube.com

You probably need a flash video player, though (mplayer can play flash
videos).

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grauzone wrote:
> Saaa wrote:
>> "grauzone" <none@example.net> wrote in message news:gv4p44$1jq7$1@digitalmars.com...
>>> Ary Borenszweig wrote:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtYCFVPfx4M
>>> How about posting a link to something everyone can play? Like an actual video file?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>
>> Isn't youtube a video upload site with an inbuilt player?
> 
> Yes, but it requires Flash and an unholy amount of AJAX.
> No one can be bothered with installing Flash and having a JavaScript
> enabled browser, when something like mplayer would be enough. Especially
> if the media player works _much_better_.

Obviously the large number of people using such sites are trying to prove you wrong.  :P

To be fair, the alternatives aren't much better.  Embedding a WMV or MOV is even more annoying, and Java's just a tremendous pain in the arse.

It'd be nice if the current efforts to standardise <video> in HTML5
could do away with Flash video et al, but I'm not holding my breath on that.

>> download youtube video
> 
> Can't see a download button anywhere on YouTube. Obviously, Google forces users to install Flash.

Possessing a burning hatred of Flash isn't going to get everyone else to stop using it.  If that worked, we'd have killed off IE6 years ago.

Either build a better system and get it installed on >90% of the world's PCs or learn to live with it.  :P

  -- Daniel

grauzone wrote:
> BCS wrote:
>> Reply to Ary,
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtYCFVPfx4M
>>>
>>
>> The clunk you just heard is my jaw bouncing on the floor <G> NICE!!!!!
> 
> It would be very nice to have such a debugging feature. Too bad it's hardcoded into a very bug GUI system.

Yes, heaven forbid Ary spends his time adding and improving features when he should be building a new editor from the ground up.

In all seriousness, I hate IDEs because they are big, slow, and waste
vast tracts of prime monitor space.  But I'm willing to put up with that
for Descent's compile-time view and (hopefully soon) compile-time debugging.

If I could get that in a super fast, light programming editor, I'd use that instead.  But I can't.

Although it is annoying when I'm out and about on my little netbook and can't use Eclipse.  C'est la vie.

Daniel Keep wrote:
> 
> grauzone wrote:
>> BCS wrote:
>>> Reply to Ary,
>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtYCFVPfx4M
>>>>
>>> The clunk you just heard is my jaw bouncing on the floor <G> NICE!!!!!
>> It would be very nice to have such a debugging feature. Too bad it's
>> hardcoded into a very bug GUI system.
> 
> Yes, heaven forbid Ary spends his time adding and improving features
> when he should be building a new editor from the ground up.
> 
> In all seriousness, I hate IDEs because they are big, slow, and waste
> vast tracts of prime monitor space.  But I'm willing to put up with that
> for Descent's compile-time view and (hopefully soon) compile-time debugging.
> 
> If I could get that in a super fast, light programming editor, I'd use
> that instead.  But I can't.
> 
> Although it is annoying when I'm out and about on my little netbook and
> can't use Eclipse.  C'est la vie.

Another problem with Descent is that it's kind of buggy (yes, I know it). But most of the bugs are because of errors in the semantic analysis ported from DMD's front end. So, for example, some template instantiations fail when they shouldn't.

What's good about being able to debug these template instantiations is that we'll be able to understand why a template instantiation fails when it shouldn't, that is, there's a bug in Descent, and it'll help us make it more robust (it'll help me find faster where's the bug).

Thus, this feature will help you debug templates and compile-time functions, and also make Descent better. :-)

Hello Daniel,

> In all seriousness, I hate IDEs because they are big, slow, and waste
> vast tracts of prime monitor space.  But I'm willing to put up with
> that for Descent's compile-time view and (hopefully soon) compile-time
> debugging.
> 
> If I could get that in a super fast, light programming editor, I'd use
> that instead.  But I can't.
> 
> Although it is annoying when I'm out and about on my little netbook
> and can't use Eclipse.  C'est la vie.

I've used Eclipse in a netbook. It works fine aside from the screen being a little small. But then again, the screen being a little small would be a problem no mater what editor I used until I can afford this:

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000959.html

Daniel Keep wrote:
> grauzone wrote:
>> Saaa wrote:
>>> "grauzone" <none@example.net> wrote in message
>>> news:gv4p44$1jq7$1@digitalmars.com...
>>>> Ary Borenszweig wrote:
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtYCFVPfx4M
>>>> How about posting a link to something everyone can play? Like an
>>>> actual video file?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>> Isn't youtube a video upload site with an inbuilt player?
>> Yes, but it requires Flash and an unholy amount of AJAX.
>> No one can be bothered with installing Flash and having a JavaScript
>> enabled browser, when something like mplayer would be enough. Especially
>> if the media player works _much_better_.
> 
> Obviously the large number of people using such sites are trying to
> prove you wrong.  :P

They just don't know it better. They probably think their PC isn't fast enough for fullscreen video playback and so on.

Maybe they don't even know what's making their web browsers / websites so slow. And what component is responsible for playing ads with SOUND.

> To be fair, the alternatives aren't much better.  Embedding a WMV or MOV
> is even more annoying, and Java's just a tremendous pain in the arse.
> 
> It'd be nice if the current efforts to standardise <video> in HTML5
> could do away with Flash video et al, but I'm not holding my breath on that.

There's no technical reason why YouTube couldn't provide a download link for the hidden flv/mp4 file the flash player loads. Actually, there _was_ one video, where YouTube provided a direct link, but that was an exception.

In fact, hiding the link to the actual video file seems to be some kind of "soft DRM". Like all almost kinds of DRM, it's breakable, but it requires an effort > 0. I don't want to support this.

(And for video sites like YouTube, I'm not actually missing anything.)

>>> download youtube video 
>> Can't see a download button anywhere on YouTube. Obviously, Google
>> forces users to install Flash.
> 
> Possessing a burning hatred of Flash isn't going to get everyone else to
> stop using it.  If that worked, we'd have killed off IE6 years ago.

Firefox had tremendous success as IE replacement.

If you want to go that far, Flash had success as Java replacement.

Anyway, I'm not really fond of the idea of foreign, unknown programs running in my web browser. If you think about it, it's ridiculous. At least from the security point of view.

> Either build a better system and get it installed on >90% of the world's
> PCs or learn to live with it.  :P

There are dozens of open source video players. Projects like ffmpeg provide good backends for audio/video decoding. And I think even the builtin Windows Media Player can play mp4.

>   -- Daniel