Although I do not believe that SHOO's work on the date/time is legally infringing on Tango's time code, I feel there's been enough bad feeling about this and that we should not include Tango's time api design in Phobos.

I apologize to SHOO for this. I know this is unfair to him.

Andrei has given a start to std.gregorian, perhaps SHOO's implementation work can be transferred to this to help complete it?

I thought the key authors had all signed off publically in the forums and the general concensus from, well, everyone was that objecting in the first place was stupid and the code should be shared.

Has there been more back-channel chatter?

Now, if std.gregorian is technically better rather than just different, then I have no objections going that direction anyway.

My 2 cents,
Brad

On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, Walter Bright wrote:

> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:03:23 -0700
> From: Walter Bright <walter at digitalmars.com>
> Reply-To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com>
> To: Discuss the phobos library for D <phobos at puremagic.com>
> Subject: [phobos] std.gregorian
> 
> Although I do not believe that SHOO's work on the date/time is legally infringing on Tango's time code, I feel there's been enough bad feeling about this and that we should not include Tango's time api design in Phobos.
> 
> I apologize to SHOO for this. I know this is unfair to him.
> 
> Andrei has given a start to std.gregorian, perhaps SHOO's implementation work
> can be transferred to this to help complete it?
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I don't think we should be different just because we can either.  The more basic types that differ between Phobos and Tango the harder it is for the two libraries to inter-operate.  While, there's already a huge gulf between them, ideally there should be more commonality than there is.

Shrug,
Brad

On 6/9/2010 7:27 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
> 
> Brad Roberts wrote:
>> I thought the key authors had all signed off publically in the forums and the general concensus from, well, everyone was that objecting in the first place was stupid and the code should be shared.
>>
>> Has there been more back-channel chatter?
>> 
> 
> Some. Enough to know that although there wouldn't be legal issues, I don't think we should take things just because we can. It's unnecessarily provocational.
> 
>> Now, if std.gregorian is technically better rather than just different, then I have no objections going that direction anyway.
>>
>> My 2 cents,
>> Brad
>>
>> On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, Walter Bright wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:03:23 -0700
>>> From: Walter Bright<walter at digitalmars.com>
>>> Reply-To: Discuss the phobos library for D<phobos at puremagic.com>
>>> To: Discuss the phobos library for D<phobos at puremagic.com>
>>> Subject: [phobos] std.gregorian
>>>
>>> Although I do not believe that SHOO's work on the date/time is legally infringing on Tango's time code, I feel there's been enough bad feeling about this and that we should not include Tango's time api design in Phobos.
>>>
>>> I apologize to SHOO for this. I know this is unfair to him.
>>>
>>> Andrei has given a start to std.gregorian, perhaps SHOO's implementation work can be transferred to this to help complete it?

----- Original Message ----

> From: Brad Roberts <braddr at puremagic.com>
> 
> I thought the key authors had all signed off publically in the forums

No.  All but one.

-Steve

Don't worry and I'm glad to hear that.

I think my main works are two things.
First, I brought up some problems to Phobos's time operation. At this
point I think that I succeeded. My code is only one example of
implementations. I hope for a better (more user friendly, faster, easier
to learn) implementation.
Second, I showed a method to avoid infringing Tango license. The only
method is that we do not see Tango's code.

(2010/06/10 11:03), Walter Bright wrote:
> Although I do not believe that SHOO's work on the date/time is legally infringing on Tango's time code, I feel there's been enough bad feeling about this and that we should not include Tango's time api design in Phobos.
>
> I apologize to SHOO for this. I know this is unfair to him.
>
> Andrei has given a start to std.gregorian, perhaps SHOO's implementation work can be transferred to this to help complete it?