On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 20:27:25 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:

>
> It may be that we want to create another list or two for some specific
> stuff, but trying to split stuff across a bunch of groups is going to cause
> its own problems. We already have enough issues with folks posting in the
> wrong group as it is (e.g. Learn questions keep ending up in the main
> newsgroup).


I suggest renaming Learn to be Learn/Help.

On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 21:17:18 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
> On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 20:27:25 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
>
>>
>> It may be that we want to create another list or two for some specific
>> stuff, but trying to split stuff across a bunch of groups is going to cause
>> its own problems. We already have enough issues with folks posting in the
>> wrong group as it is (e.g. Learn questions keep ending up in the main
>> newsgroup).
>
>
> I suggest renaming Learn to be Learn/Help.

Wow your feedback is great so far!
I am glad to see that we can have a good on-topic conversation :)
So to summarize all comments so far, how about this new structure:

New users:
- Learn / Help
Community:
- General
- Announce
Development:
- Develop (dmd, druntime, phobos, dlang.org, ...)
- Language design
- LDC
- GDC

1) Afaik the LDC community moved over to Gitter/Github for most of their communication and I guess for them just Annouce or Develop would be fine.
2) Is Language design unique enough to be an own list?
3) "Development / Develop" is a bit strange - better ideas? Should we dump the top-level categories?
4) If automated bot lists should continue to exist, the should be apropriately marked

On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 17:07:54 UTC, Seb wrote:
> I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic and according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an approval issue, however I expect this a bit controversial, so please no OT! Only other category proposals.

How about a "Show Off" category, which is something like a "lesser Announce"? When I submitted my first project to the dub repo, I would have liked to show it to some people. However, it is not important enough for Announce. It does not really fit Learn either.

Some stuff from Announce should probably go there. It would probably not help to reduce traffic in General.

On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 21:51:51 UTC, qznc wrote:
> On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 17:07:54 UTC, Seb wrote:
>> I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic and according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an approval issue, however I expect this a bit controversial, so please no OT! Only other category proposals.
>
> How about a "Show Off" category, which is something like a "lesser Announce"? When I submitted my first project to the dub repo, I would have liked to show it to some people. However, it is not important enough for Announce. It does not really fit Learn either.
> Some stuff from Announce should probably go there. It would probably not help to reduce traffic in General.

How about "Broadcast" instead of "Show off"?
And rename Announce to "Official announce", s.t. it's clear that annouce is really low-traffic and can be used for outsiders that just want to be regularily pinged for important stuff (dconf registration, new release, ...).

(Btw another idea of is to help & guide people how to promote their project. See this issue for details: https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/69)

On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 21:45:56 UTC, Seb wrote:
> On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 21:17:18 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
>> On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 20:27:25 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It may be that we want to create another list or two for some specific
>>> stuff, but trying to split stuff across a bunch of groups is going to cause
>>> its own problems. We already have enough issues with folks posting in the
>>> wrong group as it is (e.g. Learn questions keep ending up in the main
>>> newsgroup).
>>
>>
>> I suggest renaming Learn to be Learn/Help.
>
> Wow your feedback is great so far!
> I am glad to see that we can have a good on-topic conversation :)
> So to summarize all comments so far, how about this new structure:
>
> New users:
> - Learn / Help
> Community:
> - General
> - Announce
> Development:
> - Develop (dmd, druntime, phobos, dlang.org, ...)
> - Language design
> - LDC
> - GDC
>
> 1) Afaik the LDC community moved over to Gitter/Github for most of their communication and I guess for them just Annouce or Develop would be fine.

The ldc forum is used but low enough traffic that it could probably be merged in Develop.

> 2) Is Language design unique enough to be an own list?

No, I don't think so.

> 3) "Development / Develop" is a bit strange - better ideas?

Core?  Language and standard library development.

> Should we dump the top-level categories?

They tell people what to expect, makes sense for that.

> 4) If automated bot lists should continue to exist, the should be apropriately marked

Get rid of them, I'm sure github has feeds they can subscribe to instead.

On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 23:03:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
> On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 21:45:56 UTC, Seb wrote:
>> On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 21:17:18 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 20:27:25 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>
>>>
>>> I suggest renaming Learn to be Learn/Help.
>>
>> Wow your feedback is great so far!
>> I am glad to see that we can have a good on-topic conversation :)
>> So to summarize all comments so far, how about this new structure:
>>
>> New users:
>> - Learn / Help
>> Community:
>> - General
>> - Announce
>> Development:
>> - Develop (dmd, druntime, phobos, dlang.org, ...)
>> - Language design
>> - LDC
>> - GDC
>>
>> 1) Afaik the LDC community moved over to Gitter/Github for most of their communication and I guess for them just Annouce or Develop would be fine.
>
> The ldc forum is used but low enough traffic that it could probably be merged in Develop.
>
>> 2) Is Language design unique enough to be an own list?
>
> No, I don't think so.
>
>> 3) "Development / Develop" is a bit strange - better ideas?
>
> Core?  Language and standard library development.

+1

>> Should we dump the top-level categories?
>
> They tell people what to expect, makes sense for that.
>
>> 4) If automated bot lists should continue to exist, the should be apropriately marked
>
> Get rid of them, I'm sure github has feeds they can subscribe to instead.

Of course - and a lot more features ;-)

https://github.com/dlang/dmd/commits/master.atom
https://github.com/dlang/dmd/releases.atom
https://developer.github.com/v3/activity/feeds/

So yet another summary:

New users:
- Learn / Help
Community:
- General
- Annouce (Official annoucements)
- Broadcast
Development:
- Core (Language and standard library development)
- GDC

On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 23:13:10 UTC, Seb wrote:

> So yet another summary:
>
> New users:
> - Learn / Help
> Community:
> - General
> - Annouce (Official annoucements)
> - Broadcast
> Development:
> - Core (Language and standard library development)
> - GDC

I would like to see a forum for third-party libraries. I had a forum for Derelict at DSource until the site died, then maintained one at Lunarpages until it got hacked. I'm not eager to put one up on the VPS where I have my blogs now. The result is that questions about Derelict (and other projects with no official forums) pop up in General now and again (or, worse, on the issues page at GitHub). A dedicated forum for forum-less projects would be nice.

On Friday, 27 May 2016 at 00:21:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
> On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 23:13:10 UTC, Seb wrote:
>
>> So yet another summary:
>>
>> New users:
>> - Learn / Help
>> Community:
>> - General
>> - Annouce (Official annoucements)
>> - Broadcast
>> Development:
>> - Core (Language and standard library development)
>> - GDC
>
> I would like to see a forum for third-party libraries. I had a forum for Derelict at DSource until the site died, then maintained one at Lunarpages until it got hacked. I'm not eager to put one up on the VPS where I have my blogs now. The result is that questions about Derelict (and other projects with no official forums) pop up in General now and again (or, worse, on the issues page at GitHub). A dedicated forum for forum-less projects would be nice.

Good idea, it'd be a good place for people to ask about dub packages and other third-party libraries, now that dub is going to ship with dmd.

On Friday, 27 May 2016 at 06:07:36 UTC, Joakim wrote:
> On Friday, 27 May 2016 at 00:21:37 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
>> I would like to see a forum for third-party libraries. I had a forum for Derelict at DSource until the site died, then maintained one at Lunarpages until it got hacked. I'm not eager to put one up on the VPS where I have my blogs now. The result is that questions about Derelict (and other projects with no official forums) pop up in General now and again (or, worse, on the issues page at GitHub). A dedicated forum for forum-less projects would be nice.
>
> Good idea, it'd be a good place for people to ask about dub packages and other third-party libraries, now that dub is going to ship with dmd.

+1
And dub shipping with DMD can't happen soon enough.

On Thursday, 26 May 2016 at 17:07:54 UTC, Seb wrote:
> I think we all agree that general is having to much traffic and according to CyberShadow [1] this again is just an approval issue, however I expect this a bit controversial, so please no OT! Only other category proposals.
>
> Proposed categories:
>
> - DMD
> - DRuntime
> - Phobos
> - Language design (or Idea pool)
> - D Foundation + resources
> - Events
> - Other (formerly known as General)
>
> I want to stress that whatever categories we pick, we have to adapt them anyways if we realize that something is noisy again or too silent.
>
> https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/66

That's far too many categories, it would be better to have General and Technical at this stage.