I'm speaking at OSCON July 22 at 5:20 about D http://www.oscon.com/oscon2010/public/schedule/grid/2010-07-22 See you there!

Walter Bright Wrote:

> I'm speaking at OSCON July 22 at 5:20 about D http://www.oscon.com/oscon2010/public/schedule/grid/2010-07-22 See you there!

If anyone is interested, I've emailed the organizers and they said the whole thing will be video recorded (therefore posted online as well).

Op Sat, 17 Jul 2010 14:13:12 +0200 schreef Andrej Mitrovic <and.mitrovic@hotmail.com>:

> If anyone is interested, I've emailed the organizers and they said the whole thing will be video recorded (therefore posted online as well).


I hope it will be online soon :-)

Walter Bright wrote:
> I'm speaking at OSCON July 22 at 5:20 about D http://www.oscon.com/oscon2010/public/schedule/grid/2010-07-22 See you there!

Inforworld writeup on it mentions D on page 2:

http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/mirah-brings-ruby-niceties-java-430

Walter Bright wrote:
> Walter Bright wrote:
>> I'm speaking at OSCON July 22 at 5:20 about D http://www.oscon.com/oscon2010/public/schedule/grid/2010-07-22 See you there!
> 
> Inforworld writeup on it mentions D on page 2:
> 
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/mirah-brings-ruby-niceties-java-430 

Nice but short. I hate they made you "co-inventor", possibly implying that I'd be another one; whenever I have a chance I want to acknowledge you as the inventor. I can qualify at most as sorcerer's apprentice.

Andrei

"Andrei Alexandrescu" <SeeWebsiteForEmail@erdani.org> wrote in message news:i2cnai$hgt$1@digitalmars.com...
> Walter Bright wrote:
>> Walter Bright wrote:
>>> I'm speaking at OSCON July 22 at 5:20 about D http://www.oscon.com/oscon2010/public/schedule/grid/2010-07-22 See you there!
>>
>> Inforworld writeup on it mentions D on page 2:
>>
>> http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/mirah-brings-ruby-niceties-java-430
>
> Nice but short. I hate they made you "co-inventor", possibly implying that I'd be another one; whenever I have a chance I want to acknowledge you as the inventor. I can qualify at most as sorcerer's apprentice.
>

It's always bugged me when people use the term "invent" in relaton to a programming language. It's like saying that a musician "invented" a song, or that Mark Twain "invented" a book. Wrong word.

Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> Walter Bright wrote:
>> Walter Bright wrote:
>>> I'm speaking at OSCON July 22 at 5:20 about D http://www.oscon.com/oscon2010/public/schedule/grid/2010-07-22 See you there!
>>
>> Inforworld writeup on it mentions D on page 2:
>>
>> http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/mirah-brings-ruby-niceties-java-430 
> 
> 
> Nice but short. I hate they made you "co-inventor", possibly implying that I'd be another one; whenever I have a chance I want to acknowledge you as the inventor. I can qualify at most as sorcerer's apprentice.

Since the reporter was recording my conversation with him, I was pretty worried it would come out all wrong. I prefer to do interviews via email based on a couple bad experiences I had. It turned out better than I expected.

Walter Bright:
> Inforworld writeup on it mentions D on page 2: http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/mirah-brings-ruby-niceties-java-430

From the text:

>The idea with D is to push complexity into the compiler so user code is simple and elegant, he said.<

It's the first time I read such comment about D :-) I am not sure it's a right comment. Lately I have seen the opposite, moving complex numbers and associative arrays out of the compiler...


>Many companies use it, but they do not advertise their use, Bright said.<

Really? ^_^ I didn't know this.

More comments about the event (that looks pretty interesting), D commented on page 2: http://olabini.com/blog/2010/07/emerging-languages-camp-day-1/ http://olabini.com/blog/2010/07/emerging-languages-camp-day-2/

Bye,
bearophile

== Quote from bearophile (bearophileHUGS@lycos.com)'s article
> Walter Bright:
> > Inforworld writeup on it mentions D on page 2: http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/mirah-brings-ruby-niceties-java-430
> From the text:
> >The idea with D is to push complexity into the compiler so user code is simple
and elegant, he said.<
> It's the first time I read such comment about D :-) I am not sure it's a right
comment. Lately I have seen the opposite, moving complex numbers and associative arrays out of the compiler...

This misses the point.  The point is that AAs and complex numbers require lots of
complexity in the compiler to be implemented simply and elegantly as libraries.
The fact that these can be implemented well within the language means that lots of
other things can be, too.  If they couldn't be, that would mean that the language
wasn't powerful enough to make defining good user defined types possible in general.

On Friday 23 July 2010 11:46:47 Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> It's always bugged me when people use the term "invent" in relaton to a programming language. It's like saying that a musician "invented" a song, or that Mark Twain "invented" a book. Wrong word.

Actully, I believe that invent _is_ the right word here. You write a book or a song. With a book or a song, you're actually physically writing something (well, in the past anyway - now it may be typing or involve a mouse, but people used pen and paper before). With a computer program, you are again writing it (again likely typing it, but for pretty much the same reasons, the word write applies). However, a programming _language_ is a tool, not something that you write with pen and paper. Tools aren't written. They're invented. So, a programming language is invented, not written. The compiler itself - being a program - is written, but the language itself is invented.

- Jonathan M Davis