Kagamin, if you are experiencing failures with Visual Studio, please enter a Connect bug on it at http://connect.microsoft.com/.  I work on Visual Studio and we definitely want to hear about any crashes you experience, particularly if you have something that you can reproduce.  Also, Service pack 1 for Visual Studio 2010 is available now (if you don't already have it installed.)

Thanks.

- Cliff

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Kagamin <spam@here.lot> wrote:

> Bruno Medeiros Wrote:
>
> > It seems to be article season, and I'm on a bit of a punditry mood, so here's a blog post I wrote recently:
> >
> >
> http://pureconcepture.blogspot.com/2011/05/emacs-or-vi-why-answer-is-neither.html
> >
> > It's not about D, but it's a software development issue that has popped up several times here in the NG... :)
>
> Theoretically IDE is better but Visual Studio
> 1. Loads a solution 20 seconds.
> 2. Hits OutOfMemoryException regularly after which it can randomly crash or
> do funny things.
> 3. Can't run for longer than a day.
> 4. Can't work on more than one solution at a time. Combined with 1
> switching between solutions is pain in the ass.
>
> Text editors may have less features but they're not so annoying, they just work. Well, I agree, the net productivity of visual studio is still higher, but it's tricky to stay sane working with it.
>

Cliff Hudson Wrote:

> Kagamin, if you are experiencing failures with Visual Studio, please enter a Connect bug on it at http://connect.microsoft.com/.  I work on Visual Studio and we definitely want to hear about any crashes you experience, particularly if you have something that you can reproduce.  Also, Service pack 1 for Visual Studio 2010 is available now (if you don't already have it installed.)

It not really visual studio (2008), I bet it's resharper (an old version too). It just takes a good portion of ram and .net doesn't want to swap. Even if it would not crash, it's still hardly functional if every operation is interrupted by OutOfMemoryException. Memory efficiency is an advertisement strategy of CodeRush.

Ah yes, ReSharper :)  That would do it...

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Kagamin <spam@here.lot> wrote:

> Cliff Hudson Wrote:
>
> > Kagamin, if you are experiencing failures with Visual Studio, please
> enter a
> > Connect bug on it at http://connect.microsoft.com/.  I work on Visual
> Studio
> > and we definitely want to hear about any crashes you experience, particularly if you have something that you can reproduce.  Also, Service pack 1 for Visual Studio 2010 is available now (if you don't already have
> it
> > installed.)
>
> It not really visual studio (2008), I bet it's resharper (an old version too). It just takes a good portion of ram and .net doesn't want to swap. Even if it would not crash, it's still hardly functional if every operation is interrupted by OutOfMemoryException. Memory efficiency is an advertisement strategy of CodeRush.
>

On Thursday, 28 July 2011 at 06:52:15 UTC, Kagamin wrote:

> Theoretically IDE is better but Visual Studio
> 1. Loads a solution 20 seconds.
> 2. Hits OutOfMemoryException regularly after which it can randomly crash or do funny things.
> 3. Can't run for longer than a day.
> 4. Can't work on more than one solution at a time. Combined with 1 switching between solutions is pain in the ass.

FWIW the Zeus editor can import Visual Studio solution files, will
open a solution in a few seconds and crashes about once every two
or three years.

  http://www.zeusedit.com/

Btw, how is the Emacs support these days?

On 8 March 2012 05:05, Jussi Jumppanen <jussij@zeusedit.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 28 July 2011 at 06:52:15 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
>
>  Theoretically IDE is better but Visual Studio
>> 1. Loads a solution 20 seconds.
>> 2. Hits OutOfMemoryException regularly after which it can randomly crash
>> or do funny things.
>> 3. Can't run for longer than a day.
>> 4. Can't work on more than one solution at a time. Combined with 1
>> switching between solutions is pain in the ass.
>>
>
> FWIW the Zeus editor can import Visual Studio solution files, will open a solution in a few seconds and crashes about once every two or three years.
>
>  http://www.zeusedit.com/
>
>
>

On Thursday, 8 March 2012 at 10:17:09 UTC, Gyula Gubacsi wrote:

> Btw, how is the Emacs support these days?

Zeus still has Emacs keyboard bindings and they are fully supported.

As to the qustion of how good they are, I'm not really sure.

I myself use the Zeus Brief keyboard bindings.

But over the years there have been a handful of bug reports raised against
these Emacs bindings, so I suspect they are at the least usable.

As always, if anyone finds issues with these bindings or any other aspect
of Zeus please raise a bug report.

On Thursday, 2 June 2011 at 16:54:17 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
> It seems to be article season, and I'm on a bit of a punditry mood, so here's a blog post I wrote recently:
>

 Ddt does an amazingly good job at finding references and definitions. Any regrets about going the DLTK route?

 Emacs I miss because of the ability to create keyboard macros.

 I work some with eclipse emf, and have been looking at what was done with emf4cpp. Combining a light-weight ide like poseidon with an emf4D code generator that uses dwt could be a handy app.

On Thursday, 2 June 2011 at 16:54:17 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
> It seems to be article season, and I'm on a bit of a punditry mood, so here's a blog post I wrote recently:
>
> http://pureconcepture.blogspot.com/2011/05/emacs-or-vi-why-answer-is-neither.html
>
> It's not about D, but it's a software development issue that has popped up several times here in the NG... :)

Good article. I completely agree with your conclusions.

I really can't see how anyone would want to use a "text editor" over an "IDE". I mean, an IDE _is_ a text-editor + tools that help you manage projects and understand source structure.

I hear the arguments about common IDE's crashing a lot, but honestly, even if it's as bad as naysayers proclaim (which is mostly isn't), I'd still rather use the productivity features of modern IDE's and live with a crash now 'n then. Plus, it's unrealistic to think that such bugs wont be fixed with time, just like with any software.

Robert Clipsham wrote:
> There's far too much mouse usage in IDEs for me. You mean I have to move my hands away from the keyboard to do a find and replace? Pfft :<

MonoDevelop has a Vi mode, and most functions in IDE's are mapped to keyboard shortcuts anyways. Ctrl-F for find/replace, Ctrl-K-C/U for commenting, etc... there's probably even keys do navigate the project overview.

I don't see what's so bad with moving your hands around a bit anyways. Don't you have to move your hands away from "home position" to use the arrow keys to move around with a keyboard anyways? The muscle memory for moving to the mouse feels very similar to me.

> Don't you have to move your hands away from "home position" to use the
> arrow keys to move around with a keyboard anyways?

text navigation is done in the command mode via the h, j, k and l keys.