Does D have any political goals? (page 3)

November 08, 2022

Re: Does D have any political goals?

Posted by IGotD-
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On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 10:46:55 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote:

I was here in 2016/17 and 2020/21 when American presidential elections took place, which were probably the most political events in the recent past concerning an English-language forum.

I'm not sure if this is about party politics. I decided look at RustConf 2020 just in order to understand what this is all about.

https://youtu.be/IwPRu5FhfIQ?t=1479

This presentation is not really about party politics but more that they claim using politics in order for them to reach their goal, that is politics is a tool. They did not mention anything regarding politics connected to any country/state government. The conference is more similar to a big corporate event where CEO/CTO talks with big words how wonderful their company/products are and insert big words in order to achieve their business goals.

I haven't followed the Rust community everywhere so I can't say if it more political on other channels. Going through posts on Twitter would take too long time for me.

There is a cppcon talk that is more political to me and that is where they reference early 1900 century communist intellectuals in order to "change" C++. This talk is more political to me than I've found in Rust. I couldn't find this one on Youtube anymore, maybe you are better than me.

Are there political undertones among programmers that they cannot suppress during official presentations? Maybe that's the case.

In the case of D, it's kind of inverted that we almost lack the non-technical staff. Almost all of the people here have a software engineering background which means that for example compared to Rust we are lousy at marketing or understanding the needs of all the different types of programming/programmers.

On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 22:20:40 UTC, thebluepandabear wrote:

On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 21:58:36 UTC, Filip wrote:

On Monday, 7 November 2022 at 05:30:20 UTC, thebluepandabear wrote:

After that, I began to learn about all of the social justice/political statements that Rust was putting out over the last couple of years in regards to topics unrelated to programming, this made me feel very uncomfortable -- not necessarily because I disagreed with what they were saying (in fact I agreed with most statements), but mostly because I felt like politics shouldn't be involved in a programming language.

I'm surprised to learn that rust isn't apolitical, I made an account to say this haha

Hey,

I wouldn't go as far as saying that Rust is political, as in encourages users to donate to a certain party/candidate, they are just heavily invested in social issues outside of programming. Some of these social issues I agree with, whilst others I do not.

What I am trying to say is that many of these issues people do not think the same, so it can create arguments in the community.

E.g.: https://github.com/rust-lang/blog.rust-lang.org/issues/613; https://users.rust-lang.org/t/rust-says-tech-will-always-be-political/43627?page=3

As a sidenote, I believe that social issues are outside the scope of a programming language. People ought to understand that there is a time and a place. Posting about social justice issues in a programming community is just inappropriate in my opinion, especially when it comes to topics in which only one side of the political spectrum supports.

On 11/7/2022 2:00 PM, thebluepandabear wrote: > I was mostly asking in terms of whether or not the D foundation itself will talk about any political statements or has any political goals outside of D. Not as long as I'm the CEO.

On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 22:51:42 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: > I forgot to add that if forum members prefer to use a pseudonym, we respect that and will not attempt to unmask them. Thank you for this.

On 11/8/2022 2:46 AM, Quirin Schroll wrote: > I’ve not witnessed Walter or anyone else in management ever needing to keep politics out of the forum. It's been years since we've had to do this, but we just delete them.

On 11/8/2022 3:03 PM, Elon Musk wrote: > On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 22:51:42 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: >> I forgot to add that if forum members prefer to use a pseudonym, we respect that and will not attempt to unmask them. > > Thank you for this. All you Rust/Zig/C++ developers secretly using D are safe here!

On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 22:31:44 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: > On 11/7/2022 2:00 PM, thebluepandabear wrote: >> I was mostly asking in terms of whether or not the D foundation itself will talk about any political statements or has any political goals outside of D. > Not as long as I'm the CEO. Thanks for the reply. I think I have wasted people's time here by asking this and gone completely off topic (which I apologize for), so I think that this thread can be closed.

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