On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:51:35 +0200
Jacob Carlborg <doob@me.com> wrote:

> rsonally though, I'm more rum or sake than beer. (And that's sah-kay,
> > not sah-kee.)
> 
> Rum is very nice :)
> 

Particularly the flavored ones :). Like Coconut/Pineapple Parrot Bay, or
Malibu. Tried Capt Morgan's spiced rum once too, very good. Not so
big on black rum when I tried it, but maybe it was just the
brand or needs the right mixed drink.

Pirates (and ninjas!) know how to drink ;)

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:51:16 +0200
Jacob Carlborg <doob@me.com> wrote:

> On 2013-09-18 16:42, Chris wrote:
> 
> > In fairness, there is some really good stuff being brewed in the U.S. Sierra Nevada for example (http://www.sierranevada.com/), and there are some nice micro-breweries that produce quality stuff that is as good as any of the better German, British, Irish or Belgian beers/ales.
> 
> Samuel Adams, Brooklyn, Flying Dog to mention a few more.
> 

Sam Adams is well regarded but I've always found any of their varieties overly bitter. But then I'm not usually into the bitter ones anyway - Stella is more my style (or many of the other "German beer purity law" imports). If I do go for a bitter one though, Sierra Nevada's IPA is quite impressive.

Anyway, the further you get from Bud Light the better. That sort of stuff had me convinced for a decade that I just simply didn't like beer until I finally tried some proper German/Belgian ones.

On 2013-09-18 11:02, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 18 September 2013 at 14:35:59 UTC, Namespace wrote:
>> In fairness, there is some really good stuff being brewed in the
>> U.S. Sierra Nevada for example (http://www.sierranevada.com/),
>> and there are some nice micro-breweries that produce quality
>> stuff that is as good as any of the better German, British, Irish
>> or Belgian beers/ales.
>
> Or Yuengling. Mainly German-style (although apparently Yuengling does
> use corn?), by a German immigrant and his descendants, made in
> Pennsylvania and Florida. Roughly the price of Budweiser Shitty Corn
> Beer, but actually worth drinking. There's certainly better "bier" out
> there, but not at that price point. Can only get it in a few states
> though, but luckily Ohio here was added a couple years ago :)


ouch!! this gives me a phantom acid reflux. Yuengling is hardly german/czech lager/pilsener style but rather appalling. the little flavor it has is mostly metallic/sour. (disclaimer: last time i tried it was in 2005.)

yes, i do love my beer. being a german who lived several years in the UK and US (and currently do) i have quite an opinion on this. first thing, i had to give up the idea of finding german style beers (which is mostly pilsener and wheats). buying the stuff imported from germany does not work either, at least not for pilsener, as it is invariably stale and off* (no preservatives!), making my american friends wonder why we like our beer in the first place. so i had to think outside the box, try different styles. and indeed there are many amazing and delicious beers, especially in the US, not so many in the UK though ;) so i am quite happy now drinking IPAs** in the US and pilsener in germany.

FWIW, american wheats taste very different from german wheats too, they are citric instead of banana-ry. cannot make my peace with former, but the imported wheats from germany are usually good, not stale. so i am a happy camper overall.

as for american beers that resemble fresh/authentic german/czech pilsener most, i can recommend lagunitas pils, victory brewing pils, and to some degree brooklyn lager (sic! their "pilsner" sucks). but they are not quite there yet. (i suspect none of them takes the main ingredient seriously enough: water - you don't get far starting with US tap water).


*quite surprisingly, some folks cannot taste if something is off and don't mind...

**sierra nevada is just OK. better IPAs are dogfish head 60 minutes IPA and lagunitas IPA, just to name 2 widely available ones. and of course there are lots of great local microbrew beers as well.


cheers,
det

On 2013-09-18 20:39, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

> Particularly the flavored ones :). Like Coconut/Pineapple Parrot Bay, or
> Malibu. Tried Capt Morgan's spiced rum once too, very good. Not so
> big on black rum when I tried it, but maybe it was just the
> brand or needs the right mixed drink.

Nooooo, not Captain Morgan. It's horrible. Captain Morgan, Bacardi and Negrita (if I recall correctly) are the three worst kinds. At least of what is common here.

Havana Club is very nice standard rum. Nothing fancy, good for mixing drinks. Ron Barcelo is another good rum. Cruzan is also very nice, unfortunately I can get it here.

If you want something better, for drinking as it is without mixing, kind of like with Cognac, a dark rum is best. Rum Plantation Grande Reserve Barbados is one of my favorites, very affordable. Diplomático is a bit more expensive but very nice.

Mount Gay is a nice rum, both good for mixing drinks and drinking as it is.

With dark rums, it nice to drink them slightly warm. Boil some water, pour it in a glass. Pour some dark rum in a Cognac glass[1], put the glass with the rum on the glass with water. The glass with the rum shouldn't touch the water, but almost. You get a completely different flavor. Very nice :)

I once tried a dark rum. At first I almost thought it was whiskey, it had a very smoky flavor.

> Pirates (and ninjas!) know how to drink ;)

:)

[1] http://www.cognac-glasses.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Cognac.jpg

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

On 9/18/13, Jacob Carlborg <doob@me.com> wrote:
> Nooooo, not Captain Morgan. It's horrible. Captain Morgan, Bacardi and Negrita (if I recall correctly) are the three worst kinds. At least of what is common here.
>
> Havana Club is very nice standard rum. Nothing fancy, good for mixing drinks. Ron Barcelo is another good rum. Cruzan is also very nice, unfortunately I can get it here.

If there's any insight to come from this thread, it is that most D programmers seem to be suffering from crippling alcoholism. :P

On 2013-09-18 20:49, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

> Sam Adams is well regarded but I've always found any of their varieties
> overly bitter. But then I'm not usually into the bitter ones anyway -
> Stella is more my style (or many of the other "German beer purity law"
> imports). If I do go for a bitter one though, Sierra Nevada's IPA is
> quite impressive.

If I recall correctly, Stella doesn't taste very much, but I can be wrong.

> Anyway, the further you get from Bud Light the better. That sort of
> stuff had me convinced for a decade that I just simply didn't like
> beer until I finally tried some proper German/Belgian ones.

Yeah, I agree. It was the same for me. Flying Dog has a very nice kind of beer, Barley Wine. It has quite high alcohol strength. There's a Swedish brewery, Nils Oscar, that has a very nice Barley Wine as well. Unfortunately these Barley Wines seem quite hard to get here. I need to special order them. They also have a beer called Ctrl Alt Delete :)

http://www.nilsoscar.se/index.php/en/sortiment/ol/ctrl-alt-delete

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

On Wednesday, 18 September 2013 at 19:40:58 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
> If there's any insight to come from this thread, it is that most D
> programmers seem to be suffering from crippling alcoholism. :P

http://xkcd.com/323/

On 2013-09-18 21:45, Brian Schott wrote:

> http://xkcd.com/323/

Haha :)

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

On 2013-09-18 21:30, captaindet wrote:

> yes, i do love my beer. being a german who lived several years in the UK
> and US (and currently do) i have quite an opinion on this. first thing,
> i had to give up the idea of finding german style beers (which is mostly
> pilsener and wheats)

For got about wheats, those are nice too.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

On Wednesday, 18 September 2013 at 16:51:41 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> On 2013-09-18 18:02, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>
>> Personally though, I'm more rum or sake than beer. (And that's sah-kay,
>> not sah-kee.)
>
> Rum is very nice :)

Whisky is the best :D
 -> Johnny Walker Blue / Platinum Label
Someone else which also favored whisky?