On 2013-12-06 14:02, Dicebot wrote:

> [13:56:54] Marenz: real programmers have crappy CVs
> [13:56:57] Marenz: BECAUSE WE CAN
>
> No real must-haves. Just be aware that CV's are checked here by
> programmers, not HR's, so keeping it short and focused on technical
> details is appreciated, as well as any links to open-source activity.

Really? That's an enormous advantage. Compared to HR people which will not even look at a CV unless you have a fancy degree.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

On Friday, 6 December 2013 at 13:11:37 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> On 2013-12-06 14:02, Dicebot wrote:
>
>> [13:56:54] Marenz: real programmers have crappy CVs
>> [13:56:57] Marenz: BECAUSE WE CAN
>>
>> No real must-haves. Just be aware that CV's are checked here by
>> programmers, not HR's, so keeping it short and focused on technical
>> details is appreciated, as well as any links to open-source activity.
>
> Really? That's an enormous advantage. Compared to HR people which will not even look at a CV unless you have a fancy degree.

Better yet are organizations that use computer programs to screen the resumes.  At one time I applied to tonnes of positions with the Canadian gov't and never got an interview even when my skills matched the job description perfectly.  Then I realized that the trick was to copy and paste the job description into my resume, and just work my experience around it.  All of the sudden I started getting interviews.

Often they would have a form where you had to fill in your Education, so they would 100% for sure screen out someone without a degree. I think they would do better if managers just went back to hiring family members :o)

On 2013-12-06 15:47, Craig Dillabaugh wrote:

> Better yet are organizations that use computer programs to screen the
> resumes.  At one time I applied to tonnes of positions with the Canadian
> gov't and never got an interview even when my skills matched the job
> description perfectly.  Then I realized that the trick was to copy and
> paste the job description into my resume, and just work my experience
> around it.  All of the sudden I started getting interviews.

Haha, that sucks.

> Often they would have a form where you had to fill in your Education, so
> they would 100% for sure screen out someone without a degree. I think
> they would do better if managers just went back to hiring family members
> :o)

Yeah. These they you can upload a Word document or PDF and they will screen that.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

On 12/6/13, Dicebot <public@dicebot.lv> wrote:
> No real must-haves. Just be aware that CV's are checked here by programmers, not HR's, so keeping it short and focused on technical details is appreciated, as well as any links to open-source activity.

Thanks. I've sent something. We'll see. :p

On 12/6/13 4:49 AM, Craig Dillabaugh wrote:
> On Friday, 6 December 2013 at 12:37:48 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
>> On 12/5/13, Dicebot <public@dicebot.lv> wrote:
>>> Just got the formal confirmation from HR - you can certainly
>>> expect some extra help during first months to get settled. If you
>>> apply via careers@sociomantic.com , just mention your concerns in
>>> e-mail / during interview to get any specific details.
>>
>> Well I'll certainly think about writing a resume / application. But I
>> don't think I have much chances. I don't have a CS degree, and my work
>> experience is not programming-related. I don't have experience with
>> distributed architectures either.
>
> I can't really speak for Sociomantic, but really if you are smart and a
> good coder that should count as much or more than a CS degree.  You
> can't teach smart! If you have code you have written on github (or
> anywhere else out there) then make them aware of that.  If you have
> contributed to DMD, Phobos it is likely more advanced than a lot of
> full-time jobs for new grads anyways. So while you may not have 'paid'
> work experience you can demonstrate that you have real world experience.

Degrees help for things like immigration, where some bureaucratic rules must be obeyed. There may be country laws that prohibit certain positions without the degree. Otherwise they should be mostly advisory for a good company. One of the best engineers at Facebook doesn't have a degree and was homeless at hire time. He failed two of three interviews, too. True story.

Andrei

On 12/6/13 7:26 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
> On 12/6/13, Dicebot <public@dicebot.lv> wrote:
>> No real must-haves. Just be aware that CV's are checked here by
>> programmers, not HR's, so keeping it short and focused on
>> technical details is appreciated, as well as any links to
>> open-source activity.
>
> Thanks. I've sent something. We'll see. :p

Good luck!

Andrei

On Friday, 6 December 2013 at 21:06:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

>
> Degrees help for things like immigration, where some bureaucratic rules must be obeyed. There may be country laws that prohibit certain positions without the degree. Otherwise they should be mostly advisory for a good company. One of the best engineers at Facebook doesn't have a degree and was homeless at hire time. He failed two of three interviews, too. True story.

I somewhat regret I do not have a solid formal background in a field involving higher math. Educating oneself on the hoof is a rather painful process, though it has some advantages.

On 12/6/13 1:40 PM, Max Samukha wrote:
> On Friday, 6 December 2013 at 21:06:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>
>>
>> Degrees help for things like immigration, where some bureaucratic
>> rules must be obeyed. There may be country laws that prohibit certain
>> positions without the degree. Otherwise they should be mostly advisory
>> for a good company. One of the best engineers at Facebook doesn't have
>> a degree and was homeless at hire time. He failed two of three
>> interviews, too. True story.
>
> I somewhat regret I do not have a solid formal background in a field
> involving higher math. Educating oneself on the hoof is a rather painful
> process, though it has some advantages.

Then do what I did. I started in the PhD program at 32.

Andrei

On 05/12/13 10:29, Marco Leise wrote:
> I looked at Gorillaz QBasic code when my father bought our
> first computer (286 PC without FPU, FPUs were out). So I
> started there, and look, I could still learn other imperative
> languages like D, Delphi or C++. Just not LISP or Haskell.

One of the very widespread "educational" computer programs in the UK was LOGO, which came with the BBC Micro and even had a real, robotic turtle that you could plug into the computer and guide around instead of using the "turtle" cursor on the screen.

Of course, we all used it as what it seemed to be, which was a fun program for drawing stuff.  But actually LOGO is a dialect of Lisp, and in retrospect I wish I'd learned more about it ...

On 12/6/13, Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail@erdani.org> wrote:
> On 12/6/13 7:26 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
>> On 12/6/13, Dicebot <public@dicebot.lv> wrote:
>>> No real must-haves. Just be aware that CV's are checked here by programmers, not HR's, so keeping it short and focused on technical details is appreciated, as well as any links to open-source activity.
>>
>> Thanks. I've sent something. We'll see. :p
>
> Good luck!
>
> Andrei

Looks like Sociomantic just grabbed themselves another D dev.