On Tuesday, 11 March 2025 at 22:14:16 UTC, Sergey wrote:
> On Friday, 7 March 2025 at 11:16:45 UTC, matheus wrote:
>> This NG is so easy to talk and pretty much is all easily archived by default.
>
> and doesn't support many things which we have in Discord.
> And the Discord now is de facto standard. Many tech projects have their discord servers to handle community..

you can just say everyone is wrong; lets all practice, repeat after me

"Discord is a bad standard"

On Wednesday, 12 March 2025 at 08:21:01 UTC, monkyyy wrote:
> On Tuesday, 11 March 2025 at 22:14:16 UTC, Sergey wrote:
>> On Friday, 7 March 2025 at 11:16:45 UTC, matheus wrote:
> "Discord is a bad standard"

Any technical reasons?
Because "Discord" is also convenient, because used not only for D channel, but for other cool project channels..

On Wednesday, March 12, 2025 3:45:15 AM MDT Sergey via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On Wednesday, 12 March 2025 at 08:21:01 UTC, monkyyy wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 11 March 2025 at 22:14:16 UTC, Sergey wrote:
> >> On Friday, 7 March 2025 at 11:16:45 UTC, matheus wrote:
> > "Discord is a bad standard"
>
> Any technical reasons?
> Because "Discord" is also convenient, because used not only for D
> channel, but for other cool project channels..

Discord is basically a chat application. Chat applications work well for fast, temporary communication. They're terrible for anything that you want to stick around and be read or searched for later. They're also generally terrible at anything that involves threading. You're basically getting one stream of messages back and forth rather than a more organized, threaded discussion of responses.

The newsgroup / forum / mailing list does a much better job of providing something that actually sticks around and can be searched through. It also has threading so that discussions can be broken up into replies to specific posts rather than smashing everything into a single stream of messages back and forth. The newsgroup also works better when longer replies are needed.

The main downside over discord (or any form of chat application) is that there's a much larger delay between responses. If you're looking for a quick response, and folks are paying attention to discord, you might get a response pretty quickly, but the newsgroup / forum / mailing is not set up in a way that really makes it easy to see immediately when a message shows up - and the technology being used inherently adds delay into the process as the messages are propagated to the newsgroup from the forum or mailing list "wrappers" around the newsgroup - and then back from the newsgroup to those "wrappers" to see the message through whatever UI endpoint the user has chosen to use (meaning that a fast message generally takes a few minutes to propagate). And maybe it's that delay that causes some folks to prefer discord - or maybe it's just something about how some of the younger folks think and operate that I don't understand (not that I'm old, but I'm not twenty-something anymore, and clearly, there's been a change in how some of the younger folks deal with communication online as social media has grown).

Ultimately, whatever the pros and cons, we're kind of stuck having more than just the newsgroup / forum / mailing list as a major point of communication, because lots of folks just don't like posting here for whatever reason, and some of those folks are willing to use discord. But there's clearly a real cost to it, because it means that all of that stuff that gets discussed on discord is lost. It just doesn't work to search through discord messages to find much, and no matter how good or bad discord's search is, you're not going to get those messages when you search with a search engine like Google. On the other hand, the messages from the newsgroup _do_ end up in such searches. So, instead of someone searching for an answer to a question and finding it on the newsgroup, increasingly, they won't find anything, because the question was asked on discord - and will probably be asked again and again on discord, because the answer effectively went into a blackhole each time. The person who asked it got their answer, but the next person who comes along with a similar question won't see that answer. With the newsgroup, it's not hard to find posts from 10 or 15 years ago, but if that communication had happened through discord, you'd have a hard time finding it if it had happened last week.

It's kind of like the difference between a phone call and an e-mail. Discord messages don't get the added benefit that comes from hearing someone's tone, and the messages stick around a bit longer than someone's voice, but like a conversation over the phone, discord messages are quick and effectively gone once said, whereas e-mail is slower, but it sticks around where it can be searched through and reread later.

Discord makes sense for when you've got some buddies shooting the breeze, but it's clearly inferior for technical discussions, because it's designed to be transitory. If that's what folks insist on using, then we need to accommodate that on some level if we want that communication to be taking place, but I don't see how there's any argument that it's better from a technical perspective aside from the fact that the communication is typically much faster.

- Jonathan M Davis

On Thursday, 13 March 2025 at 21:50:50 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 12, 2025 3:45:15 AM MDT Sergey via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> Discord makes sense for when you've got some buddies shooting the breeze, but it's clearly inferior for technical discussions, because it's designed to be transitory. If that's what folks insist on using, then we need to accommodate that on some level if we want that communication to be taking place, but I don't see how there's any argument that it's better from a technical perspective aside from the fact that the communication is typically much faster.
>
> - Jonathan M Davis

It really depends on how to use the platform.
I agree that it is mostly for chatting, but there are topics. And topics are mostly what "threads" in Forum are. So they are separate places for specific discussions.

Another thing - there are some tools for chat exporting. So it will be possible to get the whole data.. and feed it to LLM for better search maybe.

Also there are an APIs available and it is possible to write a bot that can even save short question-answer conversations and post them on the Forum..

So there are many possibilities, but they are just not used currently..