Considering that Amazon has the proven capability of removing a book from your Kindle after you've bought it, I don't expect that I'll EVER decide to invest in a Kindle.  Some other e-book reader is a possibility.  The Nook has certain interesting features, and there's one that would be a good choice if it weren't twice as expensive as the competition.

But until I feel safe investing in an e-book reader, I don't expect to buy one.  (And invest is the term.  It's not so much the cost of the reader, as the cost of the things read...that can't easily and reliably be either read or transferred to another reader.)

On 06/19/2011 06:57 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 6/19/2011 2:18 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
>> On 2011-06-19 13:26, Walter Bright wrote:
>>> I just bought a Kindle and I'm running my unread paperbacks through the
>>> scanner and then trashing them!
>>
>> I _much_ prefer reading actual, solid, paper books. I don't
>> particularly like
>> reading books in electronic form at all. It works well for
>> documentation and
>> searchability, but beyond that, I don't see it as an advantage at all.
>> And in
>> those cases, I'd be reading them on the computer, not an e-book
>> reader. And of
>> course, then there's the issue of DRM and all that....
>>
>> So, I don't own an e-book reader and I hope that e-books never become so
>> prominent that I'm forced to.
>
>
> Your last sentence is interesting. I've read many accounts by people who
> had such a sentiment, and then skeptically thought they'd give an ebook
> a fair try. After a year, they completely changed their minds.
>
> Anyhow, I hear you.
>
> I've been buying books my whole life. I have shelves creaking with them,
> boxes of books in the basement, etc. They've simply become a burden. I'd
> simply like to get all my information properties - pictures, books,
> papers, music, movies, letters, documents - onto a disk. They'll be
> always there, sorted, categorized, instantly available, weighing
> nothing, and taking up no space.
>
> The advent of enormous and cheap disks has finally made this practical.
>
> The migration of my books to the computer has awaited an easy way to
> read them. The Kindle has finally solved that problem, at least for
> paperbacks. It doesn't work well for larger books (I presume the Kindle
> DX will, but I think I'd prefer an ipad for large format books.)
>
> I'm scanning my paperbacks to PDFs, and the Kindle will display them one
> page image at a time. DRM is not an issue for that. After a bit of a
> learning curve, I've got it where it doesn't take much time at all to
> whack off the binding and run a paperback through my sheet fed scanner.
>
> The one thing I'm not ripping are movies. Netflix has changed everything
> for me. With so much available to watch, I don't care to rewatch any old
> movies. There's no reason to buy, own, archive, or collect a DVD anymore.

On 6/20/11 10:56 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
> They won't die out. They'll just become rarer. Just like vinyl (and
> you can still buy vinyl!).

I hope you are not talking about the trees! ;-)

On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Charles Hixson <charleshixsn@earthlink.net
> wrote:

> Considering that Amazon has the proven capability of removing a book from your Kindle after you've bought it, I don't expect that I'll EVER decide to invest in a Kindle.  Some other e-book reader is a possibility.  The Nook has certain interesting features, and there's one that would be a good choice if it weren't twice as expensive as the competition.
>

I own an original basic Nook, and I'm very satisfied. One of the cool things for people that like messing with these things is that the Nook is running Android, deep deep down, so I can install custom apps and WPA Supplicant configs to get on my University Wifi. I can literally drop PDFs and EPUBs (and probably a bunch of other formats I haven't had to use) onto the Nook with no external applications and have them detected and available for reading.

The Nook simple touch (the new basic one) is also very appealing. I've seen it in stores, and it feels a lot more like a paperback.

On the other hand, the Nook Color has Angry Birds. I can't argue with that :D

On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Andrew Wiley <wiley.andrew.j@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Charles Hixson < charleshixsn@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Considering that Amazon has the proven capability of removing a book from your Kindle after you've bought it, I don't expect that I'll EVER decide to invest in a Kindle.  Some other e-book reader is a possibility.  The Nook has certain interesting features, and there's one that would be a good choice if it weren't twice as expensive as the competition.
>>
>
> I own an original basic Nook, and I'm very satisfied. One of the cool things for people that like messing with these things is that the Nook is running Android, deep deep down, so I can install custom apps and WPA Supplicant configs to get on my University Wifi. I can literally drop PDFs and EPUBs (and probably a bunch of other formats I haven't had to use) onto the Nook with no external applications and have them detected and available for reading.
>
> The Nook simple touch (the new basic one) is also very appealing. I've seen it in stores, and it feels a lot more like a paperback.
>
> On the other hand, the Nook Color has Angry Birds. I can't argue with that :D
>

Also, the E-Ink Nook is the same price as the Kindle.

Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> On 2011-06-19 13:26, Walter Bright wrote:
>> On 6/19/2011 12:29 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
>>> Well, I'm still not buying a Kindle. Death to e-books! ;)
>> I just bought a Kindle and I'm running my unread paperbacks through the
>> scanner and then trashing them!
> 
> I _much_ prefer reading actual, solid, paper books. I don't particularly like reading books in electronic form at all. It works well for documentation and searchability, but beyond that, I don't see it as an advantage at all. And in those cases, I'd be reading them on the computer, not an e-book reader. And of course, then there's the issue of DRM and all that....
> 
> So, I don't own an e-book reader and I hope that e-books never become so prominent that I'm forced to.
> 
> - Jonathan M Davis

There's a solution:

http://smellofbooks.com/

On 2011-06-20 00:11, Don wrote:
> Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> > On 2011-06-19 13:26, Walter Bright wrote:
> >> On 6/19/2011 12:29 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> >>> Well, I'm still not buying a Kindle. Death to e-books! ;)
> >> 
> >> I just bought a Kindle and I'm running my unread paperbacks through the scanner and then trashing them!
> > 
> > I _much_ prefer reading actual, solid, paper books. I don't particularly like reading books in electronic form at all. It works well for documentation and searchability, but beyond that, I don't see it as an advantage at all. And in those cases, I'd be reading them on the computer, not an e-book reader. And of course, then there's the issue of DRM and all that....
> > 
> > So, I don't own an e-book reader and I hope that e-books never become so prominent that I'm forced to.
> > 
> > - Jonathan M Davis
> 
> There's a solution:
> 
> http://smellofbooks.com/

Ouch.

- Jonathan M Davis

On 6/20/2011 12:11 AM, Don wrote:
> There's a solution:
>
> http://smellofbooks.com/

It says it's a "new book" smell. I actually like the old book smell.

Walter:

> With so much available to watch, I don't care to rewatch any old movies. There's no reason to buy, own, archive, or collect a DVD anymore.

You find time still to watch movies! :-)

Bye,
bearophile

Walter Bright wrote:
> On 6/20/2011 12:11 AM, Don wrote:
>> There's a solution:
>>
>> http://smellofbooks.com/
> 
> It says it's a "new book" smell. I actually like the old book smell.

Check the full product list. There's an old book smell as well. And "Eau, you have cats". Make sure you read the warnings.

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 21:57:22 -0400, Walter Bright <newshound2@digitalmars.com> wrote:

> The one thing I'm not ripping are movies. Netflix has changed everything for me. With so much available to watch, I don't care to rewatch any old movies. There's no reason to buy, own, archive, or collect a DVD anymore.

Netflix streaming + apple TV is life changing.  I barely ever watch TV anymore (and I have a TiVo HD too).  Although I did make an exception for the Bruin's Stanley Cup championship :)

-Steve