On 5/11/13 5:35 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
> On 5/11/13, Jonathan M Davis<jmdavisProg@gmx.com>  wrote:
>> and who will definitely view all of them regardless of how quickly they're
>> released, but it produces better PR for the language this way.
>
> P.S. Public relations also encompasses relations with an existing user-base.

I think our approach is entirely reasonable. What exactly are you unhappy about?

Andrei

> He's serious. If you post them all at once, then each video gets minimal
> impact. A lot of people will look at one, maybe two, and then not bother with
> the rest, because all of them showed up at once, whereas if they're posted
> over a longer period of time, then each video will have larger a impact,
> because it'll be showing up by itself, and it increases the chances of more
> casual people viewing it.
>
> Yes. This sucks for those who didn't get the chance to go to the conference
> and who will definitely view all of them regardless of how quickly they're
> released, but it produces better PR for the language this way. We'll keep
> getting new posts on reddit or wherever over a period of several weeks as
> opposed to it being more of a blip on people's radar and then gone.
>
> - Jonathan M Davis

If there is such a long delay all that will happen is that people will forget/lose interest and stop watching the talks.

It makes much more sense to release one each day or couple of days both to keep people interested and to avoid irritating everyone...

On 5/11/13 5:54 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> And it
> does come across a bit disrespectful to those of us who wanted to go but
> couldn't.

That I do take issue with. After the organizers and the speakers invested very significant effort in making this event happen, the basic complaint here is that they can't get free content out fast enough.

It may be a nice idea to offer advance access to Kickstarter contributors though.

There are three basic issues. One obvious one is postprocessing and uploading, work that's quite time-intensive and merciless (literally so as this thread shows). Second is keeping the temporal arc going with our announcements and discussions - releasing all at once would cannibalize the conference. Third, Kickstarter contributors have put money and speakers have put hard work into this; it would be disrespectful to _them_ to dilute the value of the conference ("nah, I don't care to go; after all I can always watch the free videos the day after".)

We could and should adjust the release schedule to make it optimal with regards to the desiderata above. Two a week has been an initial thought.

Please think it over and exercise reason.


Thanks,

Andrei

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 18:15:41 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> On 5/11/13 5:35 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
> > On 5/11/13, Jonathan M Davis<jmdavisProg@gmx.com>  wrote:
> >> and who will definitely view all of them regardless of how quickly
> >> they're
> >> released, but it produces better PR for the language this way.
> > 
> > P.S. Public relations also encompasses relations with an existing user-base.
> I think our approach is entirely reasonable. What exactly are you unhappy about?

He wants to watch them all now (or at least as fast as he can get through them), and by pacing them out like this, he has to wait two months to be able to see them all.

- Jonathan M Davis

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 18:31:16 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> Please think it over and exercise reason.

I have no problem with the pace, but then again, I attended the conference, so watching the videos is a review. And the slower pace makes it so that I can do things like post each one to my friends on google plus. Much faster, and it would be too much, too fast for them to pay any attention. I might get them to watch a few this way.

- Jonathan M Davis

On Sat, 11 May 2013 18:31:16 -0400
Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail@erdani.org> wrote:

> On 5/11/13 5:54 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> > And it
> > does come across a bit disrespectful to those of us who wanted to
> > go but couldn't.
> 
> That I do take issue with. After the organizers and the speakers invested very significant effort in making this event happen, the basic complaint here is that they can't get free content out fast enough.
> 
[...]
> 
> Please think it over and exercise reason.
> 

Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I'll re-iterate a couple things:

A. I didn't say "those who didn't" or "chose not to" go, but those who "couldn't".

But more importantly:

B: I said it *comes across* a bit disrespectful, I *didn't* say that it actually *is* disrespectful.

Furthermore, my whole point was nothing more than to merely suggest that *maybe* the delay should simply be somewhat less, *not* a demand or expectation, and *not* even a suggestion that they should all be released as soon as is technically feasable. I was very careful to choose wordings that would not get misconstrued as such, so please don't twist my words into insults that I never made just because you don't agree with an idea that I merely placed on the table.

On 5/11/13 7:39 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> Furthermore, my whole point was nothing more than to merely suggest
> that *maybe* the delay should simply be somewhat less, *not* a demand
> or expectation, and *not* even a suggestion that they should all be
> released as soon as is technically feasable.

Sure - let's take a quick poll on what would be the best release schedule.

Andrei

I didn't get to go, simply because I could not make the time for it.  (Isn't it always the way...)  There are a few videos that I'm specifically waiting for, but perhaps more importantly I look forward to sharing them with specific people (the kind of people who might be able to convince stable companies to at least consider D for some of their work).

I also know that if I sent them a pile of links to hour-long videos, they probably aren't going to watch them all, if in fact any.  (Busy people are like that sometimes.)  I'm willing to bet there are plenty of other people on here doing the same -- and for us, at least, staggered releases are grand.  They create a "suspense" of sorts.  (Don't get me wrong, though... I'd totally marathon my way through the whole conf if they were all up tomorrow...)

That said, if a lot of current users are just too hungry to wait (and I can understand that!) then maybe speed it up /just slightly/.  Go 3 a week maybe? (Complete in 6.5 weeks.)  Or make it a video every three days? (Complete in 8.5 weeks.)  I don't really know what pace is best.  I am sure that all-at-once is not best -- for all reasons previously cited.

On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 00:22:58 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> Sure - let's take a quick poll on what would be the best release schedule.
>
> Andrei

I vote one video per day.

On 2013-05-12, 02:22, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

> On 5/11/13 7:39 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>> Furthermore, my whole point was nothing more than to merely suggest
>> that *maybe* the delay should simply be somewhat less, *not* a demand
>> or expectation, and *not* even a suggestion that they should all be
>> released as soon as is technically feasable.
>
> Sure - let's take a quick poll on what would be the best release schedule.

I'm happy with the current schedule. Please, no more than one video
every second day.

-- 
Simen