On Saturday, 14 September 2013 at 10:32:26 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> My understanding (purely from the link below) was that /usr/local/* was
> *specifically* for non-package-managered stuff, whereas /usr/* was
> *specifically* for package-managered things:
>
> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/8656/usr-bin-vs-usr-local-bin-on-linux

Not entirely true. You should never have anything not managed by package manager on Linux system, it is a reliable road to disaster. Better distinction is "/usr/" for packages from official repos, "/usr/local" for own custom packages.

On 15/09/13 18:50, Dicebot wrote:
> On Sunday, 15 September 2013 at 03:44:59 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
>> As for Gnome 3, I don't know what they're smoking. It's one of the most bizarre DEs ever
> 
> After I have switched to Gnome Shell I can't use any other desktop manager comfortably. It is truly revolutionary, main problem is that people almost never want revolutions and mostly stick to their habits. Ones that suffer badly with Gnome Shell :)
> 

My case. I use Mate desktop.

http://mate-desktop.org/about/

-- 
Jordi Sayol

On 13/09/13 21:48, Namespace wrote:
> Just out of interest.
>
> I use Sublime 2, Notepad++ and as IDE currently Mono-D. But I will try this
> evening VisualD.

Vim, on Ubuntu. :-)

The actual reason is rather trivial.  I've always favoured a mixed tab-space indent style for code ("tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment"), as described here:
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SmartTabs

Unfortunately, most text editors don't seem to support this very well any more.  In KDE 3 both Kate and KDevelop used to support it well, but since KDE 4 came out it seems to have been dropped.  If you search "mixed tab-space indentation" you'll even come across a rather forlorn post of mine from the time on the Ubuntu Forums trying to sort this out:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1475867

Vim and Emacs seem to be the only editors where it's readily possible to implement this these days, and vim is easier to use, so it wound up being the only choice.

The irony is that given that standard D style is a 4-space indent, these days I've turned off the mixed tab-space style, for D at least ... but I'm still using vim, and I even find myself accidentally hitting vim-style commands if I use another editor to code.

I did go through a period of using CodeBlocks for my official D contributions, with the 4-space style, and vim for my private projects, with mixed tab-space style; but eventually I decided, OK, D style is D style, follow the standard in all cases, and just went to vim for everything.

I still do mixed tab-space for C/C++ though.  Yes, I know.  Burn the witch. :-)

On 15/09/13 18:50, Dicebot wrote:
> After I have switched to Gnome Shell I can't use any other desktop manager
> comfortably. It is truly revolutionary, main problem is that people almost never
> want revolutions and mostly stick to their habits. Ones that suffer badly with
> Gnome Shell :)

Oh dear.  Does that mean that you and I are doomed to eternal conflict, as I'm a Unity user and really rather like it? :-)

On Sunday, 15 September 2013 at 17:20:42 UTC, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:
> On 15/09/13 18:50, Dicebot wrote:
>> After I have switched to Gnome Shell I can't use any other desktop manager
>> comfortably. It is truly revolutionary, main problem is that people almost never
>> want revolutions and mostly stick to their habits. Ones that suffer badly with
>> Gnome Shell :)
>
> Oh dear.  Does that mean that you and I are doomed to eternal conflict, as I'm a Unity user and really rather like it? :-)

Probably :) Well, Unity uses similar principles in many directions though I do like Gnome 3 decision to remove system tray completely and focus on robust notification system instead - that was the main decision factor for me when trying both it and Unity. (also default style aesthetics but that is configurable and hardly that important)

On Sunday, 15 September 2013 at 16:50:50 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
> After I have switched to Gnome Shell I can't use any other desktop manager comfortably.

This is actually feel about my custom setup based on the Blackbox window manager. It has a lot of little differences from the other common options:

1) sloppy focus. omg it is so much better than click to focus

2) no click to raise. omg it is so much better, I actually have control over the window's z-order! And alt+click to move windows is soooo convenient.

3) my hotkeys rock. Keyboard control over moving, sizing, hiding, etc., and a one press hotkey to launch my beloved rxvt.

4) I have both the roll up (shading) option and the disappearing (iconification/minimize) option, as well as multiple workspaces. KDE did the workspaces too, they aren't that special, but being able to get a window off the taskbar when I want to is pretty sweet.

also shading it while keeping focus and being able to manipulate another window with the mouse at the same time can be pretty boss.

5) The menu, which I rarely use since rxvt rox, is on right click anywhere on the background. No space used by a start button or quick launch, so I can have my typical 20+ windows open at once and not crowd up the taskbar to uselessness.



and a bunch of other little things. While any one of these individually isn't a revolution, I sure like it better than kde or windows or anything else I've tried.

On 15 September 2013 16:54, Paulo Pinto <pjmlp@progtools.org> wrote:
> Am 15.09.2013 12:09, schrieb Iain Buclaw:
>>
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2013 12:55 AM, "Nick Sabalausky" <SeeWebsiteToContactMe@semitwist.com
>>
>> <mailto:SeeWebsiteToContactMe@semitwist.com>> wrote:
>>  >
>>  > On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 11:31:44 +0100
>>  > Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw@ubuntu.com <mailto:ibuclaw@ubuntu.com>> wrote:
>>  > >
>>  > > Some manufacturers even actively work against Linux at the hardware
>>  > > level.
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>
>> http://linuxologist.com/02hardware/even-more-incriminating-evidence-in-the-foxconn-debacle/
>>  > >
>>  >
>>  > Yea. I don't know this will just turn out to just be more
>> Palladium-like
>>  > anti-MS FUD, but UEFI really worries me. To the point where I'd be very
>>  > hesitant to buy any computer with Win8 pre-installed. (Not that I'd
>>  > want to pay the MS tax anyway for an OS I'd immediately wipe off of the
>>  > HDD.)
>>  >
>>
>> I've actually taken a rash decision and won't buy another x86/x86_64 device again (going full ARM in the next years once my current kit reaches it's end of life).
>>
>> Regards
>> --
>> Iain Buclaw
>>
>> *(p < e ? p++ : p) = (c & 0x0f) + '0';
>>
>
> Using a Raspberry Pi as desktop?

Nah, not nearly powerful enough for my daily usage.

Got a sheevaplug that I use as a NFS server/Wireless AP.  A Trimslice that is a useable desktop - but haven't pick it up much as I don't have a monitor kicking around to connect to it.

Later next month am getting a Parallella board that should replace my development laptop. :-)

-- 
Iain Buclaw

*(p < e ? p++ : p) = (c & 0x0f) + '0';

On Sunday, 15 September 2013 at 17:32:49 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
> On Sunday, 15 September 2013 at 16:50:50 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
>> After I have switched to Gnome Shell I can't use any other desktop manager comfortably.
>
> This is actually feel about my custom setup based on the Blackbox window manager. It has a lot of little differences from the other common options:
>
> 1) sloppy focus. omg it is so much better than click to focus
> ...

What made me fall in love with Gnome 3 was not some small things I can configure / hack on any windows manager, it is the major effort towards single idea "you don't want to see your wm when you work". Distinction between application mode and overview is awesome for similar reasons different vim modes are awesome. Also removing all bloat from screen to notifications. All helps to maintain the context (and I have always had lot of problems with concentration)

KDE, Gnome, Unity, Xfce.... wtf?

Win 8.1 rocks)

On Sunday, 15 September 2013 at 18:21:35 UTC, Michael wrote:
> KDE, Gnome, Unity, Xfce.... wtf?
>
> Win 8.1 rocks)

I was astonished when had a look at Win 8 preview and have noticed basically Shell / Unity overview as a start screen with only major difference that they have managed to make it ugly as hell :P