On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 11:59:48PM +0200, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
> We're literally having new people coming in to IRC every day saying they can't read the D documentation because of hyphenator completely blocking the website (before the browser forces it to stop loading).
> 
> If Andrei still wants it in, fine, but re-add it **later** once it's fixed or implemented properly. We can't have the site be unusable in the meantime. E.g. loading the following page blocks the latest version of Firefox for several seconds before getting a dialog box asking the user to stop the script:
> 
> http://dlang.org/phobos/core_time.html
> 
> Remove hyphenator, sync up the website, and them make a decision on what to do later. I am really pissed off at how many D newcomers get thrown off, because someone is sitting on their hands with the key to the website in their pocket. We might as well (as a community) move the entire website over to another place, and end this veto nonsense.

Wait, didn't somebody already merge the pull to kill off the hyphenator? Did it get re-introduced unilaterally without discussion?


T

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On Sunday, 29 September 2013 at 22:25:03 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> Wait, didn't somebody already merge the pull to kill off the hyphenator?
> Did it get re-introduced unilaterally without discussion?
>
> T

Did web-site actually get updated since that pull?

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:29:20AM +0200, Dicebot wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 September 2013 at 22:25:03 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> >Wait, didn't somebody already merge the pull to kill off the
> >hyphenator?
> >Did it get re-introduced unilaterally without discussion?
> >
> >T
> 
> Did web-site actually get updated since that pull?

Hmm, good point. AFAICT, the latest git HEAD seems like it hasn't been installed to dlang.org yet.

Are we waiting for the next DMD release or something?


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On 9/29/13 3:23 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 11:59:48PM +0200, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
>> We're literally having new people coming in to IRC every day saying
>> they can't read the D documentation because of hyphenator completely
>> blocking the website (before the browser forces it to stop loading).
>>
>> If Andrei still wants it in, fine, but re-add it **later** once it's
>> fixed or implemented properly. We can't have the site be unusable in
>> the meantime. E.g. loading the following page blocks the latest
>> version of Firefox for several seconds before getting a dialog box
>> asking the user to stop the script:
>>
>> http://dlang.org/phobos/core_time.html
>>
>> Remove hyphenator, sync up the website, and them make a decision on
>> what to do later. I am really pissed off at how many D newcomers get
>> thrown off, because someone is sitting on their hands with the key to
>> the website in their pocket. We might as well (as a community) move
>> the entire website over to another place, and end this veto nonsense.
>
> Wait, didn't somebody already merge the pull to kill off the hyphenator?
> Did it get re-introduced unilaterally without discussion?

Not to my knowledge.

Andrei

On 9/29/13 4:02 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:29:20AM +0200, Dicebot wrote:
>> On Sunday, 29 September 2013 at 22:25:03 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
>>> Wait, didn't somebody already merge the pull to kill off the
>>> hyphenator?
>>> Did it get re-introduced unilaterally without discussion?
>>>
>>> T
>>
>> Did web-site actually get updated since that pull?
>
> Hmm, good point. AFAICT, the latest git HEAD seems like it hasn't been
> installed to dlang.org yet.
>
> Are we waiting for the next DMD release or something?

No, but I just tried the master of dlang.org and it seems to be broken. I'll do my best to get to it soon.

Andrei

On Monday, September 30, 2013 00:29:20 Dicebot wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 September 2013 at 22:25:03 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> > Wait, didn't somebody already merge the pull to kill off the hyphenator?

Yes, I merged it.

> Did web-site actually get updated since that pull?

I don't think so. IIRC, it's just Andrei and Walter who have permissions to do that, and it only normally happens when there's a release. Occasionally Andrei will update it after certain pulls, but since he didn't merge this one, he didn't update the site afterwards (and AFAIK, he hasn't updated the site for any other pulls).

- Jonathan M Davis

On 09/30/2013 12:29 AM, Dicebot wrote:
> On Sunday, 29 September 2013 at 22:25:03 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
>> Wait, didn't somebody already merge the pull to kill off the hyphenator?
>> Did it get re-introduced unilaterally without discussion?
>>
>> T
>
> Did web-site actually get updated since that pull?

Yes, but the druntime docs weren't regenerated.
Phobos works fine now.

On Monday, 30 September 2013 at 03:24:53 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> I don't think so. IIRC, it's just Andrei and Walter who have permissions to do
> that, and it only normally happens when there's a release. Occasionally Andrei
> will update it after certain pulls, but since he didn't merge this one, he
> didn't update the site afterwards (and AFAIK, he hasn't updated the site for
> any other pulls).
>
> - Jonathan M Davis

This lack of structure has always bugged me. I think we should push changes to master immediately (i.e. automatically), then reserve a new branch "next" for changes that should not go live before the next release.

+1 for hyphenator death. I either block it or hit "Stop script" on Firefox. Kill it with fire!

PHP-style documentation in general I look forward to, but I won't push for that. I know Andrei is a busy guy.

PHP, the bad language with good documentation.

On Tuesday, 1 October 2013 at 11:58:35 UTC, w0rp wrote:
>
> PHP-style documentation in general I look forward to, but I won't push for that. I know Andrei is a busy guy.
>
> PHP, the bad language with good documentation.

PHP?  The language that has a comment peanut gallery on every page?  Oh god, no. Please don't tell me people actually want that.