On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 21:14:12 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 2/2/2018 11:08 AM, Russel Winder wrote:
>> Hummm… could it be that Andrei did not define the task appropriately,
>> train the person appropriately, and mentor the person appropriately.
>> Management has to be able to delegate and achieve required results
>> without doing the work themselves.
>
> Of course. But all that is far easier said than done.
>
> Andrei and I are not born managers, we are learning as we go. So I ask for your indulgence and understanding where we fall short.

Would it be easier for hire a proven manager(Or at least look for mangers that are able to volunteer)?

On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 20:04:33 +0000, Seb wrote:

> Not could - it's now is: https://forum.dlang.org/post/tzyleprmwjmdnjhhpnub@forum.dlang.org

Sometimes y'all get things done so quickly I'm surprised everybody's a volunteer.

--Ryan

On Fri, 2018-02-02 at 13:14 -0800, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On 2/2/2018 11:08 AM, Russel Winder wrote:
> > Hummm… could it be that Andrei did not define the task
> > appropriately,
> > train the person appropriately, and mentor the person
> > appropriately.
> > Management has to be able to delegate and achieve required results
> > without doing the work themselves.
> 
> Of course. But all that is far easier said than done.

It is a learned skill for most people, very few people can do it without training or at least mentoring.

> Andrei and I are not born managers, we are learning as we go. So I
> ask for your
> indulgence and understanding where we fall short.

Who is your management mentor? It is making your job harder if you are trying to teach yourselves purely from experience. Been there done that, made much better progress after reading:

https://www.amazon.com/Leading-Self-Directed-Teams-Kimball-Fisher/dp/00 71349243

and even better having the use of a mentor. Admittedly though this was
office-based not distributed team work.

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On Saturday, 3 February 2018 at 15:33:01 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
> Who is your management mentor? It is making your job harder if you are trying to teach yourselves purely from experience. Been there done that, made much better progress after reading:

In my experience, there is nothing worse than a 'learnt' manager ;-)

People either have the gift, or they do not. Most do not.

(if they have the gift, then improving their skills is a good thing - otherwise they are best doing something they are good at).

On Sun, 2018-02-04 at 01:53 +0000, psychoticRabbit via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> 
> […]

> In my experience, there is nothing worse than a 'learnt' manager ;-)

I disagree.

> People either have the gift, or they do not. Most do not.

Again I disagree.

> (if they have the gift, then improving their skills is a good thing - otherwise they are best doing something they are good at).

The point here is that organisations should not be structured via management as the metric – good technical people should not have to move to management in order to be promoted. Promoting good technical people to positions of management is rarely a good move, sometimes it works, but not as often as the system is set up to require.

Likewise a good CTO rarely makes a good CEO.

What The D Foundation needs is a CEO who is a good CEO.

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Russel.
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Dr Russel Winder      t: +44 20 7585 2200
41 Buckmaster Road    m: +44 7770 465 077
London SW11 1EN, UK   w: www.russel.org.uk

On Fri, 2018-02-02 at 21:21 +0000, 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> 
[…]
> Would it be easier for hire a proven manager(Or at least look for mangers that are able to volunteer)?

What the D Foundation needs is a CEO who is a good CEO. Good CTOs
rarely make good CEO, though it is possible.

-- 
Russel.
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Dr Russel Winder      t: +44 20 7585 2200
41 Buckmaster Road    m: +44 7770 465 077
London SW11 1EN, UK   w: www.russel.org.uk

On Sunday, 4 February 2018 at 18:00:22 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
> What the D Foundation needs is a CEO who is a good CEO. Good CTOs
> rarely make good CEO, though it is possible.

Well, I don't think making some hard decisions about memory management, which is the most apparent issue with D, is a CTO/CEO problem.  It is more an issue of not being willing to make some sacrifices in order to gain momentum.

If "better C" is the new strategy, then that is fine, if that means you will make "better C" the main focus, going lean.

If it means that you have essentially forked into two main directions... then it just makes it even harder to gain momentum.

On Sunday, 4 February 2018 at 18:00:22 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
> On Fri, 2018-02-02 at 21:21 +0000, 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>> 
> […]
>> Would it be easier for hire a proven manager(Or at least look for mangers that are able to volunteer)?
>
> What the D Foundation needs is a CEO who is a good CEO. Good CTOs
> rarely make good CEO, though it is possible.

ok..maybe we can agree on that ..at least ;-)

"The software product itself is valuable but is not the key to understanding open source. The process is what matters most."
 - Steven Weber (The Political Economy of Open Source Software)

On 02/01/2018 11:17 AM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 01, 2018 at 03:47:50PM +0000, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>>
>> For me:
>>
>> aptitude install ldc
>> aptitude install gdc
>> aptitude install dmd-bin
>> aptitude install dub
>>
>> Seems to work fine, and no conflicts.
> [...]
> 
> Only because the OS has a sane packaging system (and some people were
> kind enough to package the compilers in nice packages). For
> less-privileged OSes, the user experience could be drastically
> different. ;-)
> 

Extracting the archive and just...using the compiler inside...always worked fine for me on every Windows and Linux I ever tried.

On 01/31/2018 10:01 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 1/31/2018 6:14 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
>> I have to wonder if my settings are right. I've never noticed any color in
>> error messages. Messing around with some errors right now, the only color I
>> see is that "Error:" is in red, and some of the text is bolded, so it's
>> white instead of the grey that text is normally on my console. Maybe my
>> console's settings aren't interacting with the color stuff very well.
> 
> Nah, it's just the code in dmd:
> 
>     if (username == "Jonathan")
>         color = off;    // muwa-ha-ha-hah!
> 

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