On 1/12/14 4:20 AM, Kira Backes wrote:
> On Sunday, 12 January 2014 at 00:19:02 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> There's a bit of budget (a few hundred only) earmarked for GDC- and
>> LDC-specific stuff.
>
> Maybe there’s just not so many people around who can help with
> compilers? I’m an application developer and can surely also help with
> the library, but hacking on the compiler is something I’ve never done
> (and don’t know if I would be any good at it)

There are quite a few bountied bugs that are library-related. The first I see on https://www.bountysource.com/trackers/383571-d-programming-language is https://www.bountysource.com/issues/1325915-object-not-const-correct. Let's say that's kinda runtime support so more difficult, so scanning down we see things like https://www.bountysource.com/issues/1327158-getopt-improvements-by-igor-lesik or... hmmm, that's about it. But there's also https://www.bountysource.com/issues/1325916-reading-writing-an-archive-causes-data-loss-std-zip-horribly-broken which was paid off but since reopened (arguably for a distinct matter).

If I get more budget I'll try to assign more to library issues.


Andrei

On 1/12/14 4:45 AM, Jakob Ovrum wrote:
> The bounties almost exclusively target compiler issues (understandably),
> so with the relative dearth of compiler developers, I'm not surprised
> that the bounties haven't changed much.

I don't think that's accurate. In fact most activity on github (before or after Facebook's bounty program) has been on the compiler.

Andrei

On 1/12/14 4:50 AM, Johannes Pfau wrote:
> Am Sun, 12 Jan 2014 11:32:04 +0000
> schrieb Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw@gdcproject.org>:
>
>> On 12 January 2014 00:19, Andrei Alexandrescu
>> <SeeWebsiteForEmail@erdani.org> wrote:
>>> I've placed on behalf of Facebook a few more bounties on D-related
>>> issues. There's a bit of budget (a few hundred only) earmarked for
>>> GDC- and LDC-specific stuff. I didn't hear anything from Iain
>>> Buclaw (what's happening?) and am discussing with Kai Nacke the
>>> best angle of attack regarding LDC issues.
>
> I guess the last missing pieces in GDC (apart from specific bugs)
> are  NRVO, exception chaining and LTO. I probably won't work
> on any of these issues though, that stuff is too complicated for
> me ;-)
>
> But if we could get some new contributors because of these bounties
> that'd be even better :-)

One organizational/communication problem for me is that I've never been able to grasp where GDC is, what the milestones for integrations are, what the related issues are, and how to get from where we are to where we should. I've communicated with Iain over forum, email, IRC, Skype, and to be very honest I am unable to get simple answers to these simple questions (my accent was an issue in Skype communication). One thing I do recall is that Iain mentioned (I'm paraphrasing) that he hopes to underpromise and overdeliver, i.e. just finish integration instead of bragging about it before it being done. The unfortunate recoil from that is that I have no idea where he is in the process, and whether he could use any help.


Andrei

On Sunday, 12 January 2014 at 17:39:31 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> I don't think that's accurate. In fact most activity on github (before or after Facebook's bounty program) has been on the compiler.
>
> Andrei

Yeah, but it looks like Phobos has a wider variety of developers.

On 1/12/14 9:48 AM, Jakob Ovrum wrote:
> On Sunday, 12 January 2014 at 17:39:31 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> I don't think that's accurate. In fact most activity on github (before
>> or after Facebook's bounty program) has been on the compiler.
>>
>> Andrei
>
> Yeah, but it looks like Phobos has a wider variety of developers.

I understand the theory. The data simply doesn't support it. There's plenty of opened issues for Phobos and plenty of pull requests for it. Yet dmd is doing a lot better in terms of contributors.

Andrei

On Sunday, 12 January 2014 at 17:51:42 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> I understand the theory. The data simply doesn't support it. There's plenty of opened issues for Phobos and plenty of pull requests for it. Yet dmd is doing a lot better in terms of contributors.
>
> Andrei

This could also be because dmd has more *reviewers*, and is generally *active*.

Related: You still have 2 pulls in phobos that are basically merge ready, they just need you the "final touches". But you aren't responding to the pings.

On topic: I wouldn't mind seeing more bounties in Phobos. I'd gladly take them on, but there aren't any.

Another idea would be to give a financial incentive to the *reviewers* to review high priority commits.

On 12 January 2014 17:39, Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail@erdani.org> wrote:
> On 1/12/14 4:45 AM, Jakob Ovrum wrote:
>>
>> The bounties almost exclusively target compiler issues (understandably), so with the relative dearth of compiler developers, I'm not surprised that the bounties haven't changed much.
>
>
> I don't think that's accurate. In fact most activity on github (before or after Facebook's bounty program) has been on the compiler.
>
> Andrei
>

+1

The total number of pull requests in the compiler is a clear 500 more than in both druntime AND phobos combined.

On 12 January 2014 17:44, Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail@erdani.org> wrote:
> On 1/12/14 4:50 AM, Johannes Pfau wrote:
>>
>> Am Sun, 12 Jan 2014 11:32:04 +0000
>> schrieb Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw@gdcproject.org>:
>>
>>> On 12 January 2014 00:19, Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail@erdani.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've placed on behalf of Facebook a few more bounties on D-related issues. There's a bit of budget (a few hundred only) earmarked for GDC- and LDC-specific stuff. I didn't hear anything from Iain Buclaw (what's happening?) and am discussing with Kai Nacke the best angle of attack regarding LDC issues.
>>
>>
>> I guess the last missing pieces in GDC (apart from specific bugs)
>> are  NRVO, exception chaining and LTO. I probably won't work
>> on any of these issues though, that stuff is too complicated for
>> me ;-)
>>
>> But if we could get some new contributors because of these bounties that'd be even better :-)
>
>
> One organizational/communication problem for me is that I've never been able to grasp where GDC is, what the milestones for integrations are, what the related issues are, and how to get from where we are to where we should. I've communicated with Iain over forum, email, IRC, Skype, and to be very honest I am unable to get simple answers to these simple questions (my accent was an issue in Skype communication). One thing I do recall is that Iain mentioned (I'm paraphrasing) that he hopes to underpromise and overdeliver, i.e. just finish integration instead of bragging about it before it being done. The unfortunate recoil from that is that I have no idea where he is in the process, and whether he could use any help.
>

We need to work on our communication.  Which probably means:  I need to work on my communication.

On 1/12/14 10:31 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
> On 12 January 2014 17:44, Andrei Alexandrescu
> <SeeWebsiteForEmail@erdani.org> wrote:
>> On 1/12/14 4:50 AM, Johannes Pfau wrote:
>>>
>>> Am Sun, 12 Jan 2014 11:32:04 +0000
>>> schrieb Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw@gdcproject.org>:
>>>
>>>> On 12 January 2014 00:19, Andrei Alexandrescu
>>>> <SeeWebsiteForEmail@erdani.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've placed on behalf of Facebook a few more bounties on D-related
>>>>> issues. There's a bit of budget (a few hundred only) earmarked for
>>>>> GDC- and LDC-specific stuff. I didn't hear anything from Iain
>>>>> Buclaw (what's happening?) and am discussing with Kai Nacke the
>>>>> best angle of attack regarding LDC issues.
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess the last missing pieces in GDC (apart from specific bugs)
>>> are  NRVO, exception chaining and LTO. I probably won't work
>>> on any of these issues though, that stuff is too complicated for
>>> me ;-)
>>>
>>> But if we could get some new contributors because of these bounties
>>> that'd be even better :-)
>>
>>
>> One organizational/communication problem for me is that I've never been able
>> to grasp where GDC is, what the milestones for integrations are, what the
>> related issues are, and how to get from where we are to where we should.
>> I've communicated with Iain over forum, email, IRC, Skype, and to be very
>> honest I am unable to get simple answers to these simple questions (my
>> accent was an issue in Skype communication). One thing I do recall is that
>> Iain mentioned (I'm paraphrasing) that he hopes to underpromise and
>> overdeliver, i.e. just finish integration instead of bragging about it
>> before it being done. The unfortunate recoil from that is that I have no
>> idea where he is in the process, and whether he could use any help.
>>
>
> We need to work on our communication.  Which probably means:  I need
> to work on my communication.

We all should. A good step: answer emails in which you're asked to "shut up and take my money".

Andrei

On 1/12/2014 2:51 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> answer emails in which you're asked to "shut up and take my money".

Dang, I never get emails like that.