On 18 February 2018 at 15:52, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
>
> Just replying to the n.g. would be fine, no need to cc me on email and cc the mailing list.
>
> Also, your postings are double size again - html and plain text. Just the plain text, please.


Apparently gmail has a new trick... reply to thread == reply-all.
That's never happened before.
Can the forum software strip out the HTML if it detects it in the
post? I'm astonished this isn't a bigger problem; surely gmail is the
worlds most popular mail client, by like, 50x...? How can this not
happen to everyone?

On 18 February 2018 at 17:34, Manu <turkeyman@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 18 February 2018 at 15:52, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just replying to the n.g. would be fine, no need to cc me on email and cc the mailing list.
>>
>> Also, your postings are double size again - html and plain text. Just the plain text, please.
>
>
> Apparently gmail has a new trick... reply to thread == reply-all.
> That's never happened before.
> Can the forum software strip out the HTML if it detects it in the
> post? I'm astonished this isn't a bigger problem; surely gmail is the
> worlds most popular mail client, by like, 50x...? How can this not
> happen to everyone?

Incidentally, why on earth are peoples personal email addresses even
in the mail header? It should be impossible for gmail to reply-all to
peoples private emails, because they shouldn't be anywhere in the
message to begin with.
I'd be pretty upset that the forum is leaking personal details like
that... sharing your private email in a public channel is a choice
that should be left to each user, and carefully controlled.

I find it kinda hard to accept responsibility here when I use the worlds most popular mail client in it's default configuration... This is a problem that should be fixed in the forum software.

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 15:52:45 Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> Just replying to the n.g. would be fine, no need to cc me on email and cc the mailing list.
>
> Also, your postings are double size again - html and plain text. Just the plain text, please.

I'm not sure who you're replying to, since you failed to quote the original message, and my e-mail reader frequently puts posts in the wrong place in threads, but several months ago, after Brad made a change to the mail list stuff, the "Reply-To" header was changed to list both the e-mail address of the person who sent the message and the maling list's e-mail address. This means that my e-mail client (and probably others) now defaults to sending e-mails to both those e-mail addresses when I reply to a message in the mailing list, and I constantly have to manually remove the personal e-mail address of the poster from the "To" field so that I only e-mail the mailing list rather than sending to both the mailing list and the person directly. So, if I or whoever you're replying to is sending you an e-mail in addition to sending it to the mailing list, I suspect that that's why.

I sent a message to Brad about it when I noticed it and figured out what was happening, but either he never saw it, or he decided not to change it for whatever reason.

- Jonathan M Davis

On 2/18/2018 5:34 PM, Manu wrote:
> Apparently gmail has a new trick... reply to thread == reply-all.
> That's never happened before.
> Can the forum software strip out the HTML if it detects it in the
> post? I'm astonished this isn't a bigger problem; surely gmail is the
> worlds most popular mail client, by like, 50x...? How can this not
> happen to everyone?

This one isn't double size. But google does insert some weird fields:


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On 2/18/2018 5:39 PM, Manu wrote:
> Incidentally, why on earth are peoples personal email addresses even
> in the mail header?

That's usually configurable. Most people set it so it's a fake address.

> It should be impossible for gmail to reply-all to
> peoples private emails, because they shouldn't be anywhere in the
> message to begin with.
> I'd be pretty upset that the forum is leaking personal details like
> that... sharing your private email in a public channel is a choice
> that should be left to each user, and carefully controlled.
> 
> I find it kinda hard to accept responsibility here when I use the
> worlds most popular mail client in it's default configuration... This
> is a problem that should be fixed in the forum software.

It's your mail client that is doing it. Not the NNTP software.

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 18:26:25 Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> > I find it kinda hard to accept responsibility here when I use the worlds most popular mail client in it's default configuration... This is a problem that should be fixed in the forum software.
>
> It's your mail client that is doing it. Not the NNTP software.

As I pointed out in another post, mailman currently puts both the poster's e-mail address and the mailing list's e-mail address in the "Reply-To" field (whereas it it used to just put the mailing list's e-mail address in there), which means that at least some e-mail clients end up replying to both of those by default (and if I understand the "Reply-To" field correctly, they're technically supposed to reply to both by default if they're both in that field). I don't know why it's putting both in there, but it's been doing it for a few months now since about the time that Brad said that he was making changes to the server (maybe an upgrade? I don't remember right now). So presumably, something he did resulted in a change in how mailman acts, and if Manu is using gmail, then that would presumably affect him.

- Jonathan M Davis

On 02/18/2018 08:34 PM, Manu wrote:
> 
> Apparently gmail has a new trick... reply to thread == reply-all.
> That's never happened before.
> Can the forum software strip out the HTML if it detects it in the
> post? I'm astonished this isn't a bigger problem; surely gmail is the
> worlds most popular mail client, by like, 50x...?

Well, it's also the world's most inconsistant and statndards-disregarding. We're talking 1990's MS-level behavior here. It's *always* causing trouble for something or another.

On 2/18/2018 6:52 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 18:26:25 Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote:
>> It's your mail client that is doing it. Not the NNTP software.
> 
> As I pointed out in another post, mailman currently puts both the poster's
> e-mail address and the mailing list's e-mail address in the "Reply-To" field
> (whereas it it used to just put the mailing list's e-mail address in there),
> which means that at least some e-mail clients end up replying to both of
> those by default (and if I understand the "Reply-To" field correctly,
> they're technically supposed to reply to both by default if they're both in
> that field). I don't know why it's putting both in there, but it's been
> doing it for a few months now since about the time that Brad said that he
> was making changes to the server (maybe an upgrade? I don't remember right
> now). So presumably, something he did resulted in a change in how mailman
> acts, and if Manu is using gmail, then that would presumably affect him.

But that's still the mail client, not the NNTP software.

On 2/18/2018 7:52 PM, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote:
> Well, it's also the world's most inconsistant and statndards-disregarding. We're talking 1990's MS-level behavior here. It's *always* causing trouble for something or another.

And the great thing about NNTP is that the user gets to choose the client. Not the server. If you don't like the way your client behaves, use another one. (I use Thunderbird.) You can also use DFeed as a client.

Nobody makes anyone use gmail or mailman to post to the forums.

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 22:17:49 Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> On 2/18/2018 6:52 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 18:26:25 Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> >> It's your mail client that is doing it. Not the NNTP software.
> >
> > As I pointed out in another post, mailman currently puts both the poster's e-mail address and the mailing list's e-mail address in the "Reply-To" field (whereas it it used to just put the mailing list's e-mail address in there), which means that at least some e-mail clients end up replying to both of those by default (and if I understand the "Reply-To" field correctly, they're technically supposed to reply to both by default if they're both in that field). I don't know why it's putting both in there, but it's been doing it for a few months now since about the time that Brad said that he was making changes to the server (maybe an upgrade? I don't remember right now). So presumably, something he did resulted in a change in how mailman acts, and if Manu is using gmail, then that would presumably affect him.
>
> But that's still the mail client, not the NNTP software.

It's a problem with how mailman is configured. Yes, the user can remove the second e-mail address from "To" when replying, but that's easy to miss, and as I understand it, the e-mail client is doing the correct thing when it puts all of the addresses in the "Reply-To" header in "To" when responding. Mailman shouldn't be putting two address in the "Reply-To" field if the first place, and if didn't, then this wouldn't be a problem.

And no, that's not a problem with NNTP, but it's a problem with the interface that many of us use to interact with the newsgroup, and it's not a problem with the clients that we're running ourselves to read and send e-mail to the mailing list.

- Jonathan M Davis