On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Walter Bright <newshound1@digitalmars.com> wrote:
> Is this a good idea?
>


I think it's a great idea, there's some decent arguments that they should have more general names, but I like the idea that you'd always know which group to look in for specific issues, even when we're at D4!

vote +1 !

Tomas Lindquist Olsen wrote:
> I think it's a great idea, there's some decent arguments that they
> should have more general names, but I like the idea that you'd always
> know which group to look in for specific issues, even when we're at
> D4!

I do have reservations about the idea, based on experience with all the Digital Mars C++ newsgroups. There are too many, making for rather thin traffic. It's tedious to check them all for new postings, which means that that doesn't happen, and new postings often languish as a result.

The main D n.g. gets a lot of action, which feeds on itself. I'm reluctant to mess with success.

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Walter Bright <newshound1@digitalmars.com> wrote:
> Tomas Lindquist Olsen wrote:
>>
>> I think it's a great idea, there's some decent arguments that they should have more general names, but I like the idea that you'd always know which group to look in for specific issues, even when we're at D4!
>
> I do have reservations about the idea, based on experience with all the Digital Mars C++ newsgroups. There are too many, making for rather thin traffic. It's tedious to check them all for new postings, which means that that doesn't happen, and new postings often languish as a result.
>
> The main D n.g. gets a lot of action, which feeds on itself. I'm reluctant to mess with success.
>


It's a good point... I still don't think it's a bad idea, but I can
see your reason to be reluctant perfectly well.
However, why propose it if you don't like the idea in the first place ?

Walter Bright wrote:
> Is this a good idea?

No, promoting D also means having a couple of newsgroup entries each day.
Otherwise you'll have several "10 entries a month" D newsgroups and this imo not very appealing to new visitors.
In other words, Bier erm, quantity rulez.
Björn

Tomas Lindquist Olsen wrote:
> However, why propose it if you don't like the idea in the first place ?

I changed my mind.

BLS wrote:
> No, promoting D also means having a couple of newsgroup entries each day.
> Otherwise you'll have several "10 entries a month" D newsgroups and this imo not very appealing to new visitors.
> In other words, Bier erm, quantity rulez.

Yeah, I had second thoughts along those same lines.

Walter Bright wrote:

> Tomas Lindquist Olsen wrote:
>> I think it's a great idea, there's some decent arguments that they should have more general names, but I like the idea that you'd always know which group to look in for specific issues, even when we're at D4!
> 
> I do have reservations about the idea, based on experience with all the Digital Mars C++ newsgroups. There are too many, making for rather thin traffic. It's tedious to check them all for new postings, which means that that doesn't happen, and new postings often languish as a result.
> 
> The main D n.g. gets a lot of action, which feeds on itself. I'm reluctant to mess with success.

Similar to what Knud Soerensen suggested:

Rename .learn to .programming and .d to .design or .future.

And while we're at it: merge .dwt .gnu .ide .debugger into .tools or .toolchain or something like that.

That way you end up with even less newsgroups!

Walter Bright wrote:
> BLS wrote:
>> No, promoting D also means having a couple of newsgroup entries each day.
>> Otherwise you'll have several "10 entries a month" D newsgroups and this imo not very appealing to new visitors.
>> In other words, Bier erm, quantity rulez.
> 
> Yeah, I had second thoughts along those same lines.

I think -users and -developers should work. It works for Boost very well.

Andrei

On Tue, 12 May 2009 15:59:05 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

> Walter Bright wrote:
>> BLS wrote:
>>> No, promoting D also means having a couple of newsgroup entries each day.
>>> Otherwise you'll have several "10 entries a month" D newsgroups and
>>> this imo not very appealing to new visitors.
>>> In other words, Bier erm, quantity rulez.
>> 
>> Yeah, I had second thoughts along those same lines.
> 
> I think -users and -developers should work. It works for Boost very well.

I'm not used to Boost groups, so who is expected to post to "-users"? Are they users of D (that is, application developers)? Who posts to "-developers"? Are they the people developing D itself or application/tool/library developers (otherwise known as users of D)?

-- 
Derek Parnell
Melbourne, Australia
skype: derek.j.parnell

Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> Walter Bright wrote:
>> BLS wrote:
>>> No, promoting D also means having a couple of newsgroup entries each day.
>>> Otherwise you'll have several "10 entries a month" D newsgroups and this imo not very appealing to new visitors.
>>> In other words, Bier erm, quantity rulez.
>>
>> Yeah, I had second thoughts along those same lines.
> 

you mean Beer or ... :)
> I think -users and -developers should work. It works for Boost very well.
> 
> Andrei

May be I am wrong, but the Boost respective CPP community is atm not comparable to the D community.
I mean let's wait a while.

F.I. I am in contact with airbus industries since 2.5 years and I can assure you they have an eye on D.
(I think it is not really top secret to talk about what is in use.
1) OCAML, 2) C and 3) ADA ... )

Björn