So guys what, if any, do you dislike about GUI like Qt, Gtk+, C#'s WinForms, etc and you would do differently with D?

On 2021-01-06 22:24, A32007 wrote:
> So guys what, if any, do you dislike about GUI like Qt, Gtk+, C#'s WinForms, etc and you would do differently with D?

I dislike that they're not using the native drawing operations of the operating system. That is, the applications will not have a native look and feel.

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/Jacob Carlborg

On Wednesday, 6 January 2021 at 21:24:08 UTC, A32007 wrote:
> So guys what, if any, do you dislike about GUI like Qt, Gtk+, C#'s WinForms, etc and you would do differently with D?

I don't use them because I find they come with a big dynlib runtime. Though in this day and age it may not be a problem at all.

On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 10:44:39 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote:

> I don't use them because I find they come with a big dynlib runtime. Though in this day and age it may not be a problem at all.

Isn't it possible to statically link qt applications nowadays? I don't know though if this is a good idea

Imho all this talk about native look & feel is just lame, just look at professional software, it is basically the norm to have a custom uniform style at least across desktop platforms.
In fact I've seen many times on the internets how much users are grateful to devs when it suddenly happens to work on another(replacement) machine with unfamiliar OS installed.

Also, compare "default" OS styles(is there actually single default on Windows now? What about linux? No, don't tell me about GTK) for example MS paint or notepad and Mac Finder. (They all looks to me like if they've come from prehistoric times)



On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 11:28:57 UTC, sighoya wrote:
> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 10:44:39 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote:
>
>> I don't use them because I find they come with a big dynlib runtime. Though in this day and age it may not be a problem at all.
>
> Isn't it possible to statically link qt applications nowadays? I don't know though if this is a good idea

It was for 10+ years, just makes your code GPL infected. And IIRC since that moment when Nokia sold Qt there was is even more licensing restrictions added.

On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 12:13:47 UTC, evilrat wrote:
> Imho all this talk about native look & feel is just lame, just look at professional software, it is basically the norm to have a custom uniform style at least across desktop platforms.
> In fact I've seen many times on the internets how much users are grateful to devs when it suddenly happens to work on another(replacement) machine with unfamiliar OS installed.

+1, video games have non-native widgets
Nobody would say they are not user friendly

On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 13:22:28 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote:
> On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 12:13:47 UTC, evilrat wrote:
>> Imho all this talk about native look & feel is just lame, just look at professional software, it is basically the norm to have a custom uniform style at least across desktop platforms.
>> In fact I've seen many times on the internets how much users are grateful to devs when it suddenly happens to work on another(replacement) machine with unfamiliar OS installed.
>
> +1, video games have non-native widgets
> Nobody would say they are not user friendly

I think many elderly people would object to that statement. :-)

Games are different though. They are basically designed in the opposite direction: what kind of fancy interface can we have, ok, let's fill this cool interface with content...

Whereas a productivity application is more like, we have all this content that we need to access, how can we make it available in a way that works for people with many levels of digital competence and in a way that allows us to continually add to it?

Anyhow, most users are more familiar with web content than native apps these days... Maybe Google Material is the best option.

electron and flutter proved one thing:

people don't mind non-native UIs, they want great UX and great styling, consistency across services, not across the whole OS, specially when the OS has ugly UI (windows 10 for example)

On Thursday, 7 January 2021 at 20:43:34 UTC, ryuukk_ wrote:
> electron and flutter proved one thing:
>
> people don't mind non-native UIs, they want great UX and great styling, consistency across services, not across the whole OS, specially when the OS has ugly UI (windows 10 for example)

Yeah. There is probably also some advantage in the GUI mechanisms in browsers being somewhat limited so that learning using web apps does not get overly complicate. Some native GUIs actually have more of a learning curve... in comparison.