https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/41sdzj/walter_bright_on_being_a_developer_running_an/

On Wednesday, 20 January 2016 at 03:13:38 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/41sdzj/walter_bright_on_being_a_developer_running_an/

Thanks for the link, just watched all four parts.  I'm not sure Walter is the right speaker for those kids, like having Yoda lecture a bunch of young padewan.  His half-float example was likely too low-level for that audience, better to show something you'd do in ruby or python and explain how it'd run _much_ faster in D, while not much more difficult to write.

On 20/01/16 11:58 PM, Joakim wrote:
> On Wednesday, 20 January 2016 at 03:13:38 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/41sdzj/walter_bright_on_being_a_developer_running_an/
>>
>
> Thanks for the link, just watched all four parts.  I'm not sure Walter
> is the right speaker for those kids, like having Yoda lecture a bunch of
> young padewan.  His half-float example was likely too low-level for that
> audience, better to show something you'd do in ruby or python and
> explain how it'd run _much_ faster in D, while not much more difficult
> to write.

From what Walter said, they all knew c. So not really too low level for them.

On Wednesday, 20 January 2016 at 11:07:16 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
> On 20/01/16 11:58 PM, Joakim wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 20 January 2016 at 03:13:38 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/41sdzj/walter_bright_on_being_a_developer_running_an/
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the link, just watched all four parts.  I'm not sure Walter
>> is the right speaker for those kids, like having Yoda lecture a bunch of
>> young padewan.  His half-float example was likely too low-level for that
>> audience, better to show something you'd do in ruby or python and
>> explain how it'd run _much_ faster in D, while not much more difficult
>> to write.
>
> From what Walter said, they all knew c. So not really too low level for them.

But half-float uses the 'alias this' trick, furthemore on a getter function. Without a bit of D knowledge you can't get how it's subtle.

On 21/01/16 12:22 AM, epsilomish wrote:
> On Wednesday, 20 January 2016 at 11:07:16 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
>> On 20/01/16 11:58 PM, Joakim wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 20 January 2016 at 03:13:38 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/41sdzj/walter_bright_on_being_a_developer_running_an/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the link, just watched all four parts.  I'm not sure Walter
>>> is the right speaker for those kids, like having Yoda lecture a bunch of
>>> young padewan.  His half-float example was likely too low-level for that
>>> audience, better to show something you'd do in ruby or python and
>>> explain how it'd run _much_ faster in D, while not much more difficult
>>> to write.
>>
>> From what Walter said, they all knew c. So not really too low level
>> for them.
>
> But half-float uses the 'alias this' trick, furthemore on a getter
> function. Without a bit of D knowledge you can't get how it's subtle.

Yeah I agree, alias this was definitely too much for them.
But half float wasn't an issue IMO.

On Wednesday, 20 January 2016 at 11:24:11 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
> On 21/01/16 12:22 AM, epsilomish wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 20 January 2016 at 11:07:16 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
>>> On 20/01/16 11:58 PM, Joakim wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, 20 January 2016 at 03:13:38 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
>>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/41sdzj/walter_bright_on_being_a_developer_running_an/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the link, just watched all four parts.  I'm not sure Walter
>>>> is the right speaker for those kids, like having Yoda lecture a bunch of
>>>> young padewan.  His half-float example was likely too low-level for that
>>>> audience, better to show something you'd do in ruby or python and
>>>> explain how it'd run _much_ faster in D, while not much more difficult
>>>> to write.
>>>
>>> From what Walter said, they all knew c. So not really too low level
>>> for them.
>>
>> But half-float uses the 'alias this' trick, furthemore on a getter
>> function. Without a bit of D knowledge you can't get how it's subtle.
>
> Yeah I agree, alias this was definitely too much for them.
> But half float wasn't an issue IMO.

Actually, the 'alias this' is probably not that much a problem. In their shoes I would even ask myself: mmh what is this obscure feature, let's have a deeper look to D...Anyway the technical part of the talk is small, there is the thing about lexical D t_h_i_n_g_s, the octal template and half-floats...It globally works.

On 1/20/2016 12:41 PM, epsilomish wrote:
> Actually, the 'alias this' is probably not that much a problem. In their shoes I
> would even ask myself: mmh what is this obscure feature, let's have a deeper
> look to D...Anyway the technical part of the talk is small, there is the thing
> about lexical D t_h_i_n_g_s, the octal template and half-floats...It globally
> works.

I wanted a mix of trivial and advanced stuff, so there was something for everyone.

On Wednesday, 20 January 2016 at 21:38:55 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 1/20/2016 12:41 PM, epsilomish wrote:
>> Actually, the 'alias this' is probably not that much a problem. In their shoes I
>> would even ask myself: mmh what is this obscure feature, let's have a deeper
>> look to D...Anyway the technical part of the talk is small, there is the thing
>> about lexical D t_h_i_n_g_s, the octal template and half-floats...It globally
>> works.
>
> I wanted a mix of trivial and advanced stuff, so there was something for everyone.

That's well reflected, despite of my first comment.

One thing I'd like to say in reaction the first part: noise and fan.
Personally I can't live without noise anymore. I used to be obsessional about silence but now I think it's very relaxing to have a fan turning again and again, by fan I mean:

http://www.cinni.com.au/images/pedestalFans.jpg

They produce a LF vibe which is very relaxing. For example now, here, where I live:

https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.5591464,7.7793422,9z?hl=fr

It's 21.2 F° outside, but I still have the good vibes from the low frequency generator in my computer room. a steady purr.

On Wednesday, 20 January 2016 at 11:07:16 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
> From what Walter said, they all knew c. So not really too low level for them.

To me it looked like:
Walter: "You all write in C, right?"
Audience silent with expression on their faces "What is C? We've only heard about JavaScript".
;)

On Thursday, 21 January 2016 at 05:14:03 UTC, thedeemon wrote:
> On Wednesday, 20 January 2016 at 11:07:16 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
>> From what Walter said, they all knew c. So not really too low level for them.
>
> To me it looked like:
> Walter: "You all write in C, right?"
> Audience silent with expression on their faces "What is C? We've only heard about JavaScript".
> ;)

Isn't C that language that compiles to javascript ?