Well,  I'm back home safely and I hope everyone else at dconf had a pleasant journey home.

To follow up on a point I made during one of the many discussions and debates at aloft, I think it's great that this has sparked many mini projects in full speed ahead - auto tester integration with gdc/ldc;  migrating D front end to D.   However we don't need a conference to get this sort of burst of activity of going.  And I imagine with some efforts (migrating D front end,  for instance) will require more discussions outside of the ML to keep it moving and iron out issues that can't be resolved through the ML.

For this I am available on Skype, and would be willing to show up in any conference calls (monthly, or quarterly) to keep this effort, and others going.

Thoughts?


Regards
Iain.

On Sun, 05 May 2013 04:32:50 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw@gdcproject.org> wrote:

> Well,  I'm back home safely and I hope everyone else at dconf had a pleasant journey home.
>
> To follow up on a point I made during one of the many discussions and debates at aloft, I think it's great that this has sparked many mini projects in full speed ahead - auto tester integration with gdc/ldc;  migrating D front end to D.   However we don't need a conference to get this sort of burst of activity of going.   And I imagine with some efforts (migrating D front end,  for instance) will require more discussions outside of the ML to keep it moving and iron out issues that can't be resolved through the ML.
>
> For this I am available on Skype, and would be willing to show up in any conference calls (monthly, or quarterly) to keep this effort, and others going.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> Regards
> Iain.

This is a fantastic idea, and a year is a long time to wait. I know that Google Hangouts is limited to 10 participants with n viewers. And Skype supports 25 people in a call before charging. Does anyone know if there is a free alternative that supports n attendees?

-- 
Adam Wilson
IRC: LightBender
Project Coordinator
The Horizon Project
http://www.thehorizonproject.org/

On 6 May 2013 21:32, Adam Wilson <flyboynw@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 05 May 2013 04:32:50 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw@gdcproject.org> wrote:
>
>  Well,  I'm back home safely and I hope everyone else at dconf had a
>> pleasant journey home.
>>
>> To follow up on a point I made during one of the many discussions and
>> debates at aloft, I think it's great that this has sparked many mini
>> projects in full speed ahead - auto tester integration with gdc/ldc;
>>  migrating D front end to D.   However we don't need a conference to get
>> this sort of burst of activity of going.   And I imagine with some efforts
>> (migrating D front end,  for instance) will require more discussions
>> outside of the ML to keep it moving and iron out issues that can't be
>> resolved through the ML.
>>
>> For this I am available on Skype, and would be willing to show up in any conference calls (monthly, or quarterly) to keep this effort, and others going.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Iain.
>>
>
> This is a fantastic idea, and a year is a long time to wait. I know that Google Hangouts is limited to 10 participants with n viewers. And Skype supports 25 people in a call before charging. Does anyone know if there is a free alternative that supports n attendees?
>
>
SIP is a well supported protocol.  There are various open source servers/clients out there that we can use.

However, I don't think there would be >25 people attending such things. Infact, things might get ugly if more than 20 people join in on conversation, unless there is some sort of policing going on. :)

-- 
Iain Buclaw

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On Mon, 06 May 2013 14:40:31 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw@ubuntu.com> wrote:

> On 6 May 2013 21:32, Adam Wilson <flyboynw@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 05 May 2013 04:32:50 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw@gdcproject.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Well,  I'm back home safely and I hope everyone else at dconf had a
>>> pleasant journey home.
>>>
>>> To follow up on a point I made during one of the many discussions and
>>> debates at aloft, I think it's great that this has sparked many mini
>>> projects in full speed ahead - auto tester integration with gdc/ldc;
>>>  migrating D front end to D.   However we don't need a conference to get
>>> this sort of burst of activity of going.   And I imagine with some efforts
>>> (migrating D front end,  for instance) will require more discussions
>>> outside of the ML to keep it moving and iron out issues that can't be
>>> resolved through the ML.
>>>
>>> For this I am available on Skype, and would be willing to show up in any
>>> conference calls (monthly, or quarterly) to keep this effort, and others
>>> going.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Iain.
>>>
>>
>> This is a fantastic idea, and a year is a long time to wait. I know that
>> Google Hangouts is limited to 10 participants with n viewers. And Skype
>> supports 25 people in a call before charging. Does anyone know if there is
>> a free alternative that supports n attendees?
>>
>>
> SIP is a well supported protocol.  There are various open source
> servers/clients out there that we can use.
>
> However, I don't think there would be >25 people attending such things.
> Infact, things might get ugly if more than 20 people join in on
> conversation, unless there is some sort of policing going on. :)
>

Well, I was thinking that more than 25 people might interested in joining the conference call. I mean we did just get around 85 people for the conference. Although I suppose not everyone would have time for a more regular meeting, I could see enough potential interest to hit 25. After all there are a quite a few of us who are rather interested in moving D forward. :-)

-- 
Adam Wilson
IRC: LightBender
Project Coordinator
The Horizon Project
http://www.thehorizonproject.org/

On 6 May 2013 23:10, Adam Wilson <flyboynw@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 06 May 2013 14:40:31 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw@ubuntu.com> wrote:
>
>  On 6 May 2013 21:32, Adam Wilson <flyboynw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  On Sun, 05 May 2013 04:32:50 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw@gdcproject.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Well,  I'm back home safely and I hope everyone else at dconf had a
>>>
>>>> pleasant journey home.
>>>>
>>>> To follow up on a point I made during one of the many discussions and
>>>> debates at aloft, I think it's great that this has sparked many mini
>>>> projects in full speed ahead - auto tester integration with gdc/ldc;
>>>>  migrating D front end to D.   However we don't need a conference to get
>>>> this sort of burst of activity of going.   And I imagine with some
>>>> efforts
>>>> (migrating D front end,  for instance) will require more discussions
>>>> outside of the ML to keep it moving and iron out issues that can't be
>>>> resolved through the ML.
>>>>
>>>> For this I am available on Skype, and would be willing to show up in any conference calls (monthly, or quarterly) to keep this effort, and others going.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Iain.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> This is a fantastic idea, and a year is a long time to wait. I know that
>>> Google Hangouts is limited to 10 participants with n viewers. And Skype
>>> supports 25 people in a call before charging. Does anyone know if there
>>> is
>>> a free alternative that supports n attendees?
>>>
>>>
>>>  SIP is a well supported protocol.  There are various open source
>> servers/clients out there that we can use.
>>
>> However, I don't think there would be >25 people attending such things. Infact, things might get ugly if more than 20 people join in on conversation, unless there is some sort of policing going on. :)
>>
>>
> Well, I was thinking that more than 25 people might interested in joining the conference call. I mean we did just get around 85 people for the conference. Although I suppose not everyone would have time for a more regular meeting, I could see enough potential interest to hit 25. After all there are a quite a few of us who are rather interested in moving D forward. :-)
>
>
Indeed.  I was thinking more of involving people who are intimate with the various developments in the language.  Eg:  People who are dealing with rvalues as references may not be the same people who are dealing with migrating D front end to D, or people dealing with CTFE implementation. However we should always be inviting to people who want to listen in on the conversation.  =)

-- 
Iain Buclaw

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For voice conferences with large amount of participants (20+) usually stuff like TeamSpeak, Ventrilo and Mumble is used. It requires some special approach - for example, it is possible to setup SIP voice conference but because of SIP architecture it simply won't scale well for large amount of participants. And XMPPP/Jingle support for conferences is still experimental/work-in-progress.

For video conferences I am not aware of any free solution with better capability than Google Hangouts. It is quite a challenging task actually.

P.S. Also it is as much a social issue as a technical challenge - managing 20+ people trying to speak at the same time is a hell with no extra tools :)

On Tuesday, 7 May 2013 at 09:05:50 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
> For voice conferences with large amount of participants (20+) usually stuff like TeamSpeak, Ventrilo and Mumble is used. It requires some special approach - for example, it is possible to setup SIP voice conference but because of SIP architecture it simply won't scale well for large amount of participants. And XMPPP/Jingle support for conferences is still experimental/work-in-progress.
>
> For video conferences I am not aware of any free solution with better capability than Google Hangouts. It is quite a challenging task actually.

As a side note, SIP is a signaling protocol. It isn't sufficient itself to do this kind of stuff and can also be used to do something completely differently. It is only useful to connect stream of data.

Nothing in SIP itself make it inadequate here, but the usual toolchain that contains SIP is.

On Tuesday, 7 May 2013 at 09:18:01 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
> As a side note, SIP is a signaling protocol. It isn't sufficient itself to do this kind of stuff and can also be used to do something completely differently. It is only useful to connect stream of data.
>
> Nothing in SIP itself make it inadequate here, but the usual toolchain that contains SIP is.

Well I am not aware of any actual service that uses anything else but default SIP+SDP+RTP so it is more of a theory. SIP itself is very flexible indeed and easily extended with non-standard extensions if needed but with no actual implementation it is hardly useful ;)

P.S. SIP itself is not even capable of connecting streams of data, it encapsulates Session Description Protocol for it. Only pure exchange of intentions.

On Tue, 07 May 2013 11:07:40 +0200
"Dicebot" <m.strashun@gmail.com> wrote:

> P.S. Also it is as much a social issue as a technical challenge - managing 20+ people trying to speak at the same time is a hell with no extra tools :)

Yea, that size conversation can be difficult enough on IRC, let alone with voice.